Comments on: About Part 6A http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/ A blog written by Labour MPs Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Darien Fenton http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-314437 Darien Fenton Thu, 01 Nov 2012 05:22:47 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-314437 @Ryan : so tell me how paying a one off spotting fee of between 20 and 30% of the contract price, plus a monthly royalty of between 5 and 15% plus the cost of the franchise license, equipment, training and a vehicle provides job security in an already marginal industry? @Ryan : so tell me how paying a one off spotting fee of between 20 and 30% of the contract price, plus a monthly royalty of between 5 and 15% plus the cost of the franchise license, equipment, training and a vehicle provides job security in an already marginal industry?

]]> By: bbfloyd http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-314364 bbfloyd Thu, 01 Nov 2012 01:40:02 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-314364 @ monty grass snake.... "I have way too much ambition, and intelligence"... an affectation that has you on the list for getting fired from the easiest job in the world... shovelling up the "fallout" from johnny sparkles inability to discern truth from lies.... The glitter, the glitter, it gets everywhere!!! such ambition!! and yet you can't even put two rational sentences together.... The perfect resume for service workers on johnny's fantasy world.... Meanwhile, back in the real world, the war on ordinary New Zealanders goes on unabated...With help from those who should know better, but choose to remain ill informed, and bigoted..... So far, there hasn't been a single word written here that doesn't confirm the basic truth of Dariens words.. And don't the ditto heads hate the truth!! @ monty grass snake…. “I have way too much ambition, and intelligence”… an affectation that has you on the list for getting fired from the easiest job in the world… shovelling up the “fallout” from johnny sparkles inability to discern truth from lies….

The glitter, the glitter, it gets everywhere!!!

such ambition!! and yet you can’t even put two rational sentences together…. The perfect resume for service workers on johnny’s fantasy world….

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the war on ordinary New Zealanders goes on unabated…With help from those who should know better, but choose to remain ill informed, and bigoted…..

So far, there hasn’t been a single word written here that doesn’t confirm the basic truth of Dariens words..

And don’t the ditto heads hate the truth!!

]]> By: Ryan http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-314326 Ryan Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:23:46 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-314326 @Tim G - I appreciate your support whether its genuine or not. If Monty falls on hard times and find himself cleaning; I hope he doesn't request a franchise information pack from Crest. @Darien - I can only see 2 court cases in recent memory that Crest have been involved in; but hey I am just Googling. And the dispute was around the timing of the election to transfer which is one of the few positive changes in the proposed bill. Not doing well? Crest again awarded in the Deloitte Fast 50. I think a email to Mr McLauchlan congratulating him should be on the cards Darien. In regards to a lot of your earlier questions Darien I invite you look at the Crest franchise system which I have myself looked into after this supposed tirade from Crest began. Your answers around job security etc would be answered. I can understand the frustration from Mr McLauchlan as these changes still do not provide clear parameters for which business and employees alike can operate; which should be the main purpose to which a labour amendment bill is created. Something these changes do not. @Tim G – I appreciate your support whether its genuine or not. If Monty falls on hard times and find himself cleaning; I hope he doesn’t request a franchise information pack from Crest.

@Darien – I can only see 2 court cases in recent memory that Crest have been involved in; but hey I am just Googling. And the dispute was around the timing of the election to transfer which is one of the few positive changes in the proposed bill. Not doing well? Crest again awarded in the Deloitte Fast 50. I think a email to Mr McLauchlan congratulating him should be on the cards Darien.

In regards to a lot of your earlier questions Darien I invite you look at the Crest franchise system which I have myself looked into after this supposed tirade from Crest began. Your answers around job security etc would be answered.

I can understand the frustration from Mr McLauchlan as these changes still do not provide clear parameters for which business and employees alike can operate; which should be the main purpose to which a labour amendment bill is created. Something these changes do not.

]]> By: Darien Fenton http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-314241 Darien Fenton Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:17:06 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-314241 Told you CrestClean wouldn't be happy : http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/232786/vulnerable-workers-change-criticised Told you CrestClean wouldn’t be happy : http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/232786/vulnerable-workers-change-criticised

]]> By: Rob S http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-314131 Rob S Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:01:30 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-314131 Darien - in my experience, companies tender anything for anything if they think they can save, and will balance the results on quality/price etc. It won't stop them tendering, but it may stop them changing... I won't comment on crest, but being involved in tenders of all sorts, from both sides of the bridge, it is almost always about the financials. Darien – in my experience, companies tender anything for anything if they think they can save, and will balance the results on quality/price etc. It won’t stop them tendering, but it may stop them changing…

I won’t comment on crest, but being involved in tenders of all sorts, from both sides of the bridge, it is almost always about the financials.

]]> By: Tim G http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-313999 Tim G Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:15:32 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-313999 Oh Monty, not again! Your blithe arrogance and inflated opinion of yourself/verbal defecation on the cleaners has even upset our resident Crest PR guy! (Who to his credit, is at least superficially respectful of cleaning staff.) Wait until "Ryan's friend" (who posted here a couple of months back ;)) hears about this! I can only infer that you are completely lacking in insight/socially tone deaf about how it sounds when you trundle out those lines. @Darien and the Al1en - hear, hear! Oh Monty, not again! Your blithe arrogance and inflated opinion of yourself/verbal defecation on the cleaners has even upset our resident Crest PR guy! (Who to his credit, is at least superficially respectful of cleaning staff.)

Wait until “Ryan’s friend” (who posted here a couple of months back ;) ) hears about this!

I can only infer that you are completely lacking in insight/socially tone deaf about how it sounds when you trundle out those lines.

@Darien and the Al1en – hear, hear!

]]> By: The Al1en http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-313891 The Al1en Wed, 31 Oct 2012 03:09:20 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-313891 "I am not a cleaning contractor. God forbid. I have way too much ambition and intelligence to do such an awful job." "I have worked in the property industry for 20 years" If true, which it probably isn't, you may well have a bigger pay check, but you rank below politicians tabloid journalists and used car salesmen in the trust stakes, and way down the list of much use to anyone. Not really a prime position to boast of surplus intelligence and opine so disparagingly about other peoples awful jobs. Like most things in life, you get what you pay for. Looking forward to (R)evolution. “I am not a cleaning contractor. God forbid. I have way too much ambition and intelligence to do such an awful job.”

“I have worked in the property industry for 20 years”

If true, which it probably isn’t, you may well have a bigger pay check, but you rank below politicians tabloid journalists and used car salesmen in the trust stakes, and way down the list of much use to anyone.
Not really a prime position to boast of surplus intelligence and opine so disparagingly about other peoples awful jobs.

Like most things in life, you get what you pay for.
Looking forward to (R)evolution.

]]> By: Ryan http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-313848 Ryan Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:34:01 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-313848 @Darien - I wouldn't anticipate that any of its franchisees have more than 20 employees. Do they fall under the category of a SME? Hard to say. @Darien – I wouldn’t anticipate that any of its franchisees have more than 20 employees. Do they fall under the category of a SME? Hard to say.

]]> By: Darien Fenton http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-313839 Darien Fenton Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:08:13 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-313839 @Ryan : Crest aint doing that well. It's had more Employment Court cases than any other contractor because it can't accept Part 6A. It's not going to do too well out of this amendment either. I imagine they won't be best pleased. How much does Crestclean pay its workers? How many hours do they work? How do they offer job security? How much funding do they invest in training? Why are they not part of the multi employer collective agreement? Aren't they a franchise seller and isn't this the basis of their real objection to part 6A? And why don't they join the BSC and try to influence it if they are so superior. @Ryan : Crest aint doing that well. It’s had more Employment Court cases than any other contractor because it can’t accept Part 6A. It’s not going to do too well out of this amendment either. I imagine they won’t be best pleased. How much does Crestclean pay its workers? How many hours do they work? How do they offer job security? How much funding do they invest in training? Why are they not part of the multi employer collective agreement? Aren’t they a franchise seller and isn’t this the basis of their real objection to part 6A? And why don’t they join the BSC and try to influence it if they are so superior.

]]> By: Ryan http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/10/27/about-part-6a/comment-page-1/#comment-313838 Ryan Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:07:43 +0000 http://blog.labour.org.nz/?p=37857#comment-313838 @Monty - statements like that certainly do not help your arguement! (facepalm) @Monty – statements like that certainly do not help your arguement! (facepalm)

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