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By the Numbers

Posted by on October 12th, 2012

By the numbers

$1,000,000 – Won by a 19-year-old Aucklander with Bonus Bonds his parents were going to transfer into their name, but forgot…

$40,000 – A healthy pay rise for MFATs Chief Exec John Allen. With the Government slashing overseas posts and allowances you could say this was a bit of a double standard…

40,000 – Manufacturing jobs have been lost in the past four years.

$10.80 – The Government’s new youth hourly pay rate. Bet that won’t do much to stop our kids moving to Oz.

1 – Enemy of the state that has had his feathers ruffled.

28 Responses to “By the Numbers”

  1. Ehoa says:

    you could probably add the 40 Ministers, CEOs, Managers who all knew about Kim Dotcom….but not the 1 Prime Minister who was never briefed, can’t recall, has no bells ringing even though the German Michelin man lives in his electorate backyard.

    also add: 1 Lying Rat – how could he ever have missed the walking German blimp? wonder what his anonymous donation was to the National campaign funds?

  2. OneTrack says:

    Do Labour MPs get a full dossier on all fat Germans living in their electorate? Or just those ones that do a fireworks display for all us peons?

  3. Ehoa says:

    Do National ministers take fat cheques from mega Germans and forget all about their helicopter trips and Hong Kong holidays? or is it left to us peons to point out something smells like a rat here.

    How many National Ministers does it take NOT to tall the Prime Minister about Dotcom? ALL! even he didn’t tell himself…duh!

  4. Ianmac says:

    Must have been tortuous to spread the policy of Key Not Knowing about Dotcom.
    -Do not send any emails relating to Kim DotCom.
    -Do not make any phone calls relating to Kim DotCom.
    -Do not talk to me relating to Kim DotCom.
    -Do not respond to any enquiries relating to Kim Dotcom. (Imagine the convolvulations that Key must have gone through to pass that one on to his Electorate Secretary who did have enquiries about Dotcom.)
    -Do not let anyone find out about the huge sum that Dotcom donated to National. It must be anonymous.

  5. Spud says:

    @Ianmac LOL 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 !!!!!!!!!!

  6. Blarney Stone says:

    David, do you know how the pay of state sector chief executives is set? Since when do Ministers set CEOs pay and sign off them? If so, how is this a double standard? Either you’re showing your ignorance on this, or you’re making a cheap shot at the State Services Commissioner.

  7. Anne says:

    Additions to Ianmac’s list:

    Do not tell anyone that I wasn’t telling the truth about not knowing who Kim Dotcom was until January this year.

    Do not tell anyone I wasn’t telling the truth about not knowing about the Kim Dotcom surveillance until September of this year.

    Do not tell anyone what I said about Kim Dotcom in a staff cafeteria in February of this year.

  8. John W says:

    Ianmac and Anne
    All done by minders and the iceberg floats lower than sea level.

    Take note of who greeted Key in the US and look at their pedigree / tribal affiliation.

    The PR machine behind Key is working overtime and has done for a while shifting shadows for the public to chase. Meanwhile the big issues have reprieve from public ire and some daily scrutiny by our tame press.

    October is a month of revolution. Today the 13th.

    Elsewhere we read of real foment.

    “To the financial institutions of the world, we have only one thing to say: we owe you NOTHING!
    To our friends, families, our communities, to humanity and to the natural world that makes our lives possible, we owe you everything.
    To the people of the world, we say: join the resistance, you have nothing to lose but your debts.
    On Oct 13, in the larger context of the worlwide “globalnoise” mobilisation, and within the Global Week of Action against Debt, we will mobilise against debt in several cities of the world: Barcelona, Madrid, Mexico, Paris, New York, Rome…
    The governments’ response to the financial and economic crisis is the same everywhere: cuts in expenditure and austerity measures under the pretext of reducing deficits and the repayment of a public debt which is the direct outcome of decades of neoliberal policies. The same neoliberal policies that have plungered economic and natural resources and exploited human lifes in Latin America, Asia and Africa for decades, are now also being imposed on the people of Europe and North America.
    Governments in the service of finance are using this pretext to further reduce social spending, lower wages and pensions, privatize public utility and goods, dismantle social benefits and deregulate labour laws, and increase taxes on the majority, while social and tax giveaways are generalized for the big companies and the highest income households, the rich, the 1%.
    The campaign to subdue the world to public and private debt is a calculated attack on the very possibility of democracy. It is an assault on our homes, our families, our social services and benefits, our communities and on the planet’s fragile eco-systems—all of which are being destroyed by endless production to pay back creditors, who have done nothing to hog the wealth they demand we make for them.”

  9. Jack Ramaka says:

    Amazing how the wealthy one percent still want what is left of NZ and Global Assets while Governments Bail Out Banks which are owned by the Private Sector.

    Even the Federal Reserve in the USA is a privately owned bank.

    I don’t believe this current Government is acting in the best interests of New Zealand and all New Zealanders, it appears to be a them and us type Government, whereby you are either in the loop or outside the loop, with a majority of New Zealanders positioned outside the loop.

  10. ghostwhowalksnz says:

    ONE missing video clip that ‘cant be found’- he he

    But of course spooks have clever ways of hiding computer files in plain sight, dont bother with password protect on a media format file, you embed it in the ‘spaces’ of another large file , a music file or even a document. You open it an all you see is the innocuous data. Even then the data you want to hide is encrypted.

    For goodness sake way back in the days of floppy disks secret data was stored in the ‘spare’ tracks that were always provided in case there were ‘bad sectors’. But of course that couldnt be found either if you did a search.

    But of course there were enough people at the cafeteria meeting who have better recall than the PM. Expect an increase in GCSB budget next year as they have enough rope to hang the lying PM

  11. OneTrack says:

    John W – so it was the bankers fault for giving the loans in the first place? Nothing to do wih Bill Clinton (D) instructing Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac to make cheap loans available to the “people”. So the banks should just write off the loans and never give another loan to someone they think might not be able to afford it? But then you will be on the loudhailer complaining because “young couples cant get a loan and have to go to back-street lenders – its all the banks fault – they should be lowering interest rates so kiwis can have a home, blah, blah.”

    But yes I agree, the EU (ie Germany) should just write off the Greek loans and then never give them another one (because you dont want the banks to make the same mistake twice do you).

  12. ghostwhowalksnz says:

    One track , by and large the people with poor credit have the same default rate as the good credit risks, and most of these loans were for relatively modest amounts.

    The fraud and poor loan practices of private banks and lending institutions were responsible for most of the losses on loans.

    You seem to consider that Lehman Bros were lending tom poor people in Alabama or that AIG – who needed a $180 bill bailout- where giving out money to homeowners in the Bronx. Didnt happen !

  13. John W says:

    If you accept the role of the banks to coin money for their private gain. Debt is the tool they use.

    Do you remember State Advances in NZ

    Careful controls on lending criteria regulated the market.

    There is a bigger picture than accepting “conventional ” argument as to why economies fail.

    Looking for resolution of the current difficulties is fruitless unless we learn from what has taken place and use different thinking.

    Where is the open discussion on better systems rather than myopic argument on details of the existing mess. Inequity increases and the rate of that increase is not slowing.

    Labour has invoked some notable change in direction but appears bound by the established structure of how money is created and controlled. Where does the fear come from.

  14. Inverness says:

    0 GCSB Tapes
    0 leaders of Labour Party with any credibility
    2 Labour leaders in waiting laughing about the above

    [Ed: putting half the story comes close to trolling here. John Key isn’t saying no tape was made; just that it can’t be found. It’s the National leader that’s struggling with credibility here. It looks like the public get this. The Shearer-led Labour Party is now within 10 points of National. The gap was 20 points a year ago. D Clark.]

  15. Spud says:

    @Ghost 😯 That’s amazing! 😮 !!!!!!!

  16. Blarney Stone says:

    David, you haven’t seen the TV3 poll tonight. It shows that the Shearer-led labour party is still 15 points behind National. And Shearer still just isn’t cutting it with voters.

  17. SJW says:

    Inverness, Your credulity knows no bounds.

    National government:
    0 credibility
    0 competence
    0 honesty
    0 real interest in NZers wellbeing
    =100% bunch of clowns.

    Thank you to David Shearer, Labour and the Opposition Parties for speaking out on the utter dishonesty and incompetence being displayed by this Government. I hope that there are a dwindling amount of NZers with the boundless ability to trust the untrustworthy such as Inverness displays.

    May we NEVER AGAIN have a Government as cynical as the one we have now.

  18. David Clark says:

    @Blarney the thing that TV3 poll has in common with all the others is that the gap between Labour and National is closing. Indeed, Labour was the only Party to get a significant boost in the TV3 poll.

  19. lovinthatchangefeeling says:

    Hmmm, David says ‘putting half the story comes close to trolling here’ so what about his analysis of the 3 News poll.

    He trumpets that the poll shows the gap between National Party and Labour Party closing. But according to Duncan Garner:

    “It appears the Kim Dotcom saga, while it is hurting Prime Minister John Key, is not fatal.

    While Labour has picked up some support, its leader, David Shearer, remains in the doldrums as preferred Prime Minister.

    Mr Key will be buoyed by tonight’s results. National appears to have escaped unscathed from his brain-fade over Dotcom. AT 62 SEATS, NATIONAL QUITE REMARKABLY COULD GOVERN ALONE”

  20. The Al1en says:

    If there aren’t discussions being had over the polit bureau water cooler this morning, then really, there’s no hope for any of you to be fair.

    If questions aren’t being asked about why two weeks of sustained negative media pressure on the government has resulted in a bounce of just a couple of opinion poll points – less than the drop in preferred pm rating for Shearer, then there’s no hope for the party.

    If the king makers at the big table aren’t taking notice and don’t call David Cunliffe over, hand over the party throne saying “sorry for misunderstanding, boss” then there’s no hope for any of us.

    Honestly, just not good enough Red team.

  21. Quoth the Raven says:

    The same neoliberal policies that have plungered economic and natural resources and exploited human lifes in Latin America, Asia and Africa for decades, are now also being imposed on the people of Europe and North America.

    The global poverty rate was cut in half in the 25 years to 2005 and it was cut in half again from 2005 to now. See: With Little Notice, Globalization Reduced Poverty. Never in history have so many people been lifted out of poverty in such a short period of time and it is largely in Asia that this has occurred, but even in Africa is historically intractable poverty beginning to decline.

    What has caused this precipitous decline in poverty? It is has been economic liberalization within nations, as in China and India, and trade liberalization between nations. Precisely the neoliberal policies you so abhor. Compare that to the estimated 20 to 43 million who starved during the great Chinese famine during the days of Maoism or the prodigious violence of the cultural revolution.

    And what of Africa? You talk of neoliberal policies exploiting people with no specific examples, yet what of the inhuman Marxist-Leninist regimes and failed socialist experiments? One could make a ling list of socialist dictators and regimes that brutalized their people; The People’s Republic Benin, the communist military junta that ruled Ethiopia under the genocidal rule of Mengistu Haile Mariam, or the socialist dictatorship of the insane Macias Nguema in Equatorial Guinea, whose nation’s motto was “There is no God other than Macias Nguema” and the socialist dictatorship of Siad Barre in Somalia that made that nation the poorest on earth.

    The governments’ response to the financial and economic crisis is the same everywhere: cuts in expenditure and austerity measures under the pretext of reducing deficits and the repayment of a public debt which is the direct outcome of decades of neoliberal policies.

    What specific neoliberal policies are you referring to? It was not neoliberal of Greece to increase public spending from 29% of GDP in 1980 to 53.1% in 2009 and have a public sector wage bill which almost doubled in real terms in 10 years. Unless you think growth in government is neoliberal policy now. It is not neoliberal policy to grant many public sector workers guaranteed promotions, immunity from dismissal, and early retirement ages. All of which has contributed to Greece dire fiscal crisis. Greece is ranked lowest in ease of doing business rankings in the Eurozone and the OECD. Globally it ranks below countries like Columbia, Rwanda, and Vietnam. It is a sclerotic mess of government corruption, bloated bureaucracy, economic interventionism, and welfarism with a decades long hostility to the free market. The policies that lead to their fiscal crisis were not neo-liberal neither were those of Spain, Italy, or Portugal.

  22. SJW says:


    While people promoting neoliberal and globalization views paint promising pictures of the great effects of such approaches, I never hear any acknowledgement of the less positive effects of such approaches, (sacrilege I know), however, if any approach is to progress-taking the positive-and leaving the negative behind is required; which means the weaknesses as well as the “strengths” need to be addressed. So I ask you to please bear with me while I paint another picture.

    The picture I wish to paint is where let us say, tomorrow, ALL public and private debt; that is, all mortgages, government, business, credit card debt-the lot- is all squared up. ALL. Tomorrow. Let us take out beastly “socialist” welfare distribution too-just so we can really start assessing what the wonderful globalized neo con dream would amount to.

    I’d simply like to know who would own what?

    And whether the benefits of the system you promote, and which also creates and survives by this debt, that you omit to mention; whether when these two facets effecting our accounts, and-reality-and yet which hardly any of us have a real grasp on, are acknowledged, would they balance out in the same promisingly prosperous way as it does when half the picture is ignored?

    I would like to know what this picture would turn out to look like? Any ideas on that?

  23. John W says:


    Your post may be a reply.

    My post mentioned October ( 13th) and revolution.

    I referred to foment being expressed and posted a quote from the Occupy website.

    Perhaps you may have taken that as my construction.

    I note your link is to a US Yale university article which is somewhat misleading in that the thrust of argument is strongly pro world trade as the force behind developing living standards. While many organizations are referred to, a balance from that deceptively rosy picture is needed.

    Also from a western source, Booking Institute but based in New york. Certainly not a world view but a bit more comprehensive than the university link you posted.

    But a wider view brings into question the basic premises of growth.

    “Growth driven by fossil fuel consumption is not a prerequisite for a better life in broader human development terms,” Helen Clark said. “Investments that improve equity—in access, for example, to renewable energy, water and sanitation, and reproductive healthcare—could advance both sustainability and human development.”

    Growth has been an outcome of cheap fossil based energy that has been harvested with little effort, great profit and little or no provision for the long term consequences of this path.

    The industrial revolution based on coal then oil has run a course where our future generations have a debt of enormous proportion with dwindling resource and massive problems of a polluted and damaged biosphere and population out of control. The side of the accounting sheet that features little in the economists planning.

    Empire and colonial imposition uninvited and resisted, fell to be the lot of most countries and peoples withing traveling distance of the wealthy and powerful. Many means including force and population decimation to varying degrees has been the somewhat sad history of western exploitation of world resources. Traditional structures both cultural and political were “reformed” for western profit. The growth of empire has a high cost to those people subjugated.

    Among the leaders you touched on I think the perspective may need broadening.

  24. Quoth the Raven says:

    John W – I don’t know if I really should dignify your comment with a response, but for the benefit of others I will.

    There are many who deny the crimes of Mao or try to downplay them. As there are unfortunately many who try to deny the crimes of the likes of Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot. Denial of such crimes despite vast overwhelming evidence to the contrary is depraved and disgusting. Like Holocaust denial it truly sickens me. That you call a work of appalling apologetics in a Marxist journal perspective broadening is telling.

    The overwhelming evidence from the work of scholars using archival, demographic and eyewitness testimony, demonstrate that the Great Chinese Famine was the largest famine in history that tens of millions perished and that although drought was contributory it was largely manmade and the cause was the ‘Great Leap Forward’. For instance, Dutch historian Frank Dikötter published Mao’s Great Famine after the Monthly Review article you linked to using Chinese provincial, county, and city archives he came to an even higher estimate of deaths than previous work and he showed an important secondary cause of death violence which was catalogued in Public Security Bureau reports:

    [A]t least 45 million people perished above a normal death rate during the famine from 1958 to 1962… [I]t is likely that at least 2.5 million of these victims were beaten or tortured to death.

    During the Great Leap forward peasants were forced at gunpoint to collectivize, if they refused they were tortured or sent to labor camps, peasants were forced to work naked in the winter, children were buried alive, the ill and elderly were banned from state canteens and allowed to starve to death, peasants homes were destroyed for state infrastructure to be built. It is a warning to everyone of what can happen when the state is allowed to become all powerful. It is why we should look with grave suspicion upon any politician who calls for more and more state control over the economy and over people’s lives.

    Regarding global poverty the work I linked was by the same authors as the piece you linked to Laurence Chandy and Geoffrey Gertz, they are both researchers at the Brookings Institute and the conclusion they reached on causes of the dramatic fall in poverty was just as I argued. Quote:

    These factors are manifestations of a set of broader trends – the rise of globalization, the spread of capitalism and the improving quality of economic governance – which together have enabled the developing world to begin converging on advanced economy incomes after centuries of divergence. The poor countries that display the greatest success today are those that are engaging with the global economy, allowing market prices to balance supply and demand and to allocate scarce resources, and pursuing sensible and strategic economic policies to spur investment, trade and job creation. It’s this potent combination that sets the current period apart from a history of insipid growth and intractable poverty.

  25. John W says:

    And you believe that stuff.

  26. phillip ure says:

    @ j.w…heh..!

    phillip ure..

  27. phillip ure says:

    and just in america:..

    “..The chart tracks three economic trends in the U.S. over the last two decades – between 1992 and 2009.

    The first two lines — productivity and per capita gross domestic product — are rising.

    This is the unmistakable American success story – the one reflected in record corporate profits – growing wealth accumulation – and the unmatched efficiency of this country’s economy.

    The third line tracks median household income – as measured by the U.S. Census.

    It shows the story of frustration and stagnation that so many Americans long ago accepted as a reality.

    Shortly after 2000 – the lines diverged.

    The economy hummed along – but many Americans – the ones politicians typically refer to as the middle class –

    – stopped feeling the benefits..”


    phillip ure..

  28. phillip ure says:

    @ david clark @ 8.43..

    ..whereas i understand the differences between mmp and fpp.. that blocs should be considered here..

    ..the basic facts are that i linked to a report this morn showing labour in britain leading the tories by 12%..

    ..41% to 29%..

    ..and given what key has been doing to the country..

    ..i really feel uneasy about any labour self-confidence at your poll ratings any measures/ should be doing so much better.. the next question must be..

    ..why aren’t you doing better..?

    phillip ure..