Comments on: KiwiRail bullying

By: Dave

Dave — Mon, 27 Aug 2012 03:36:34 +0000

@Jack, just becasue you don’t understand it doesn’t make it less valid.

By: Jack Ramaka

Jack Ramaka — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 17:53:48 +0000

QTR talks gooblygook language I don’t think there would be much demand for the book as he is on another planet and speaks a different dialect to normal people.

By: frank_db

frank_db — Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:33:33 +0000

Quoth the Raven, should write a book.
No he should write an article, then again….
No, he should keep on recyc…
NO, got it wrong again
How about a good ol’ fashioned fisticuffs,and a back bending of fingers.
Got to shut him up some how.

By: Psycho Milt

Psycho Milt — Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:59:01 +0000

Meh. What we personally think about the representative or non-representative nature of govt is irrelevant in practical terms. If you doubt this, try throwing away the passport issued by the govt that doesn’t represent you and traveling with one you issued yourself.

By: Quoth the Raven

Quoth the Raven — Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:31:30 +0000

ghostwhowalkznz – Please read the comments again. It wasn’t I who referred to an ‘intermediary’ it was Psycho Milt.

However, here in non-theoretical, non-utopian, actually-existing society, the New Zealand people are represented by the New Zealand govt. The fact that we’d rather not be doesn’t alter that situation, which is why your point is irrelevant.

Here in non-theoretical, non-utopian, actually-existing society I’d call someone you’d rather not want to be represented by non-representative.

Really, this isn’t castle in the air theorizing. It is a matter of straightforward logic. For something to represent the whole of society there would have to be unanimity. Where there is no unanimity there cannot be said to be representation of the whole. The notion that the state is representative of society as a whole is an intensely romantic one.

By: jennifer

jennifer — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:08:32 +0000

Interesting to see an SOE try to “effectively” gag Parliament, and even more interesting to see Big Jezza defend it.

By: ghostwhowalksnz

ghostwhowalksnz — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:37:33 +0000

QTR waffles on about the shares being held by an ‘intermediary’ ( this must be one of the spin lines/ deflection gambits put out by the Keystone government) but that is true of many financial organisations.

But then again hes openly admitting that the Keystone government shareholding ministers DONT represent the people !.

By: Pete George

Pete George — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:02:52 +0000

KiwiRail obtained a High Court interim injunction preventing media organisations from publishing the contents of a leaked internal report. Another High Court hearing in Wellington upheld the interim injunction, but said media could “reasonably and fairly” report discussion in Parliament yesterday about the business plan.

Transcript and link to full video of what was said in parliament yesterday by Phil Twyford and Clare Curran:

http://yournz.org/2012/08/24/twyford-and-curran-on-kiwirail/

By: Psycho Milt

Psycho Milt — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:27:06 +0000

You can probably tell from my gravatar that I’m familiar with arguments for the state being a Bad Thing and have some sympathy for them. However, here in non-theoretical, non-utopian, actually-existing society, the New Zealand people are represented by the New Zealand govt. The fact that we’d rather not be doesn’t alter that situation, which is why your point is irrelevant.

By: indiana

indiana — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:53:48 +0000

As many would argue that there is no mandate to sell assets, what mandate was there to buy Kiwirail? Where we’re the leaked documents when the sale was taking place to show how much money this asset will continue to cost the “people”