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This entry was posted on Monday, October 31st, 2011 at 9:09 am and is filed under agriculture, national. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.
I spotted at least one of English’s former Press Secs in their random selection of regular folks.
into moderation – use your real name if you want to abuse me. Trevor
It’s not going to look good when some bored reporter runs the “Mallard mistakes parody for the real deal” story.
You might as well cut your losses and move on there Trev.
But it is generally so much more accurate than the alternatives.
The Onion did a parody Inauguration Speech for Bush’s first term, some years later it read less as a parody than and historical summary of the way it really was.
So why does this stuff story say: “But Key said he knew the questions they were going to ask him”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5875729/Key-defends-campaign-advert
You don’t expect John Key to actually front up to real people do you? he is far too impotant for that. He is so important, CHOGM is beneath him, he is far too busy to attend to affairs of state let alone this unnecessary election nonsense.
I must say it is odd he could do a rugby match but not CHOGM
Even the Queen turned up for CHOGM, Key was Playing Hobitses with Sir Peter and pretending to be in a Town Hall, far more important.
Could we get a list of all the town hall meetings in the last month?
Strange that John key’s moderated Youtube “Town Hall” video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m46wbNdc0R0) has 171 dislikes and only 62 likes whereas the Herald “Vote” app has 34% liking and only 23% liking Labour.
Rigged? Much?
From the Herald…
[Which political party had the best TV opening election broadcast?
National (34%)
Labour (23%)
Greens (6%)
Don't know, don't care (37%)]
steve barnes, surely we can all agree that parties of all persuasions have a run at those online type polls.
When I saw that video on tv, I was convinced that at least some of the “questioners” were not even in the room, but voice-overs! And the applause was so instantaneous, that I believe it was “canned” applause, not that of real people. Boring, boring, boring presentation!
OTOH, I found Labour’s very interesting, with the historical perspective and the individual MP’s talking about their personal history with the party, and the discussion re policies and what they will mean to NZ. Well done!
Yay Labour!
Woo hoo! 
!
I sometimes wonder if National is able to tell the truth
Tracey. As you may note the Heralds “Your views” letters are increasingly favourable to Labour and tend to be rather scathing of Key in general. I find it somewhat incongruous that the “Vote” app seems so skewed toward National.
I also noticed that all comments on the video are positive yet the dislikes have now climbed to 181.
Blatant misrepresentation, but then you get that with National.
Mallard has been told on several occasions and has acknowledged at least once on Twitter that this account if a parody account. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he just carelessly forgot.
But history seems to make this unlikely.
What we have here is Trevor using a parody account, an account he knows is a parody, to try and score political points through deception. This is the very worst form of politics. It’s dishonest. It’s disgraceful. It’s bad for the national dialogue. The nastiness that comes from the old guns of Labour is one of the reasons they fall so flat in the poll.
Trev, why don’t you retire and let Kelvin Davies have your list spot and Jacinda Adern you’re electorate seat. It would improve Labour immensely.
… and I guess I best take a screenshot of this comment in case it gets deleted.
@ Jackal -I’spose the irony of your comment escapes you ?
Yes I’m afraid Trevor this is bad form, for one of the top 2 parties in NZ.
If you were the Greens, you could play this with impunity, and they do similar, all the time, and I don’t care.
But a party which actually purports to be the govt, should not joke, particularly when the effect is to distort democracy by deceit. Particularly then.
Many people on your side, seem to imagine anything is justified in the name of the cause (to help people which in your view, you seem to think you’re the only ones who ever do). This, in some people’s minds, appears to make things like this quite all right.
I don’t really blame you for having shallow, foolish people like that on your side, but I do blame you for pandering to them, in a way that subverts the sacred playing field of democracy. At anytime, really, but particularly, during an election.
Shame on you, and shame on anyone in Labour, who doesn’t condemn this action of yours.
And pray don’t attempt to conflate your deceit in this act, as just being another type of the general spin which is part and parcel of electioneering. Please don’t do that, it would just insult those of us who understand the profound difference.
.Much as I agree with the sentiment language is unacceptable. Don’t know how it got thru spam filter. Warning. Moderation next time. Trevor
Oh Trevor, why bother?
Being positive is such a better message to send to the electorate. I think it would suit you
@ Jake1 “Being positive is such a better message to send to the electorate.”
People should be positive when the see their children going to school hungry? Or are you a member of the master race Jake1?
Ed: off-topic. Try and be constructive rather than destructive (mind the irony).
It’s called constructive criticism aimed and improving others. The world needs more positive people. Would you not agree?
… and I guess I best take a screenshot of this comment in case it gets deleted.
Hmm. My rather benign comment noting that Labour has motivated supporters to write letters to the editor doesn’t appear to have made it through moderation.
Hello Disraeli/aka MR screenshot guy. What is the other name you use to post on this blog? I am just so sick of your rubbish.
The national election campagin opening ad clearly purported to reflect a “relaxed” S&W responding to questions from the public – not from supporters, young nats etc. That is where the dishonesty lies. As charming as your abusive smokescreen it, raving on about the identity of some twitter account does nothing to hide that fact.
Anyone, from either side of the spectrum, who pretends that National’s ad was better/more effective than labour’s is kidding themselves. National’s was just such wooden, scripted, misleading rubbish. Labour reminded me of not just why I’m proud to be Labour, but why I’m proud to be a kiwi. The majority of us do believe in egalitarianism and a “fair go” – that is something I believe that labour will deliver.
“This is the very worst form of politics. It’s dishonest.”
If honesty is your benchmark Disraeli, just who will you be voting for? It can’t be Labour, as you have outlined, it can’t be National, their three years is riddled with lies, or half truths or “dynamic world”. Do tell?
@Tim Nope, I just use Disraeli. I think I have posted here maybe six times. Three or four on the VSM Bill and twice on Trevor just being ridiculous. Furthermore, I actually agree with you. National’s Opening Address was a train-wreck. And I thought Labour and the Greens both had solid and pretty decent addresses. However just because National made a horrible address doesn’t give Mallard the right to effectively spit into the political dialogue.
@Tracey By cutting my quote, you’ve marginally changed the meaning of the message there. That’s another form of dishonesty too!
But seriously. A party can practice the very worst in politics and still have good ideas. Obviously I’d never vote for a party that constantly lies or insults but I believe that most politicians believe in what they say and want to make the country a better place. We just disagree on how to do that. And we get passionate. And sometimes people lie. It’s when it becomes a constant thing or when people are lying over silly little things that it becomes a problem. And sadly Trevor Mallard seems to be reaching both of those criteria.
Where will my vote be going to? Tough to say. I’m a Liberal Centrist. I’d love to see a Liberal Democrat party in New Zealand. The closest we probably have is United Future but I disagree with so much of their policy even though they try to be centrist. I agree with some Labour ideas. I agree with some National ideas. In the end I’m probably going to double tick National because I honestly believe their ideas are either A) Better or B) Agree with mine on the more important issues.
Thanks Disraeli, like you I was highlighting a broader point. I note you make no concession that the current government and leader have lied, over silly little things or bigger things? Do you believe that to be the case?
“to try and score political points through deception. This is the very worst form of politics. It’s dishonest. It’s disgraceful.” That still fits with my points above and below. You suggest trying to score points through deception is the worst form of politics (with which I agree it is bad, but many other deceptions are bad too)
In the end honesty is negotiable, as you outline above. That is sad, but exists inside and outside politics. The problem I have with dishonesty in politics and from politicians is it makes it very hard to judge the true standing of their “ideas”.
National directly or indirectly built a campaign from 2002 on insults, it steadily got stronger in its attacks, directly or indirectly, on our last PM. I trust you did not vote for National in 2002, 2005 or 2008? I am perhaps unfairly targetting you only because you are prepared to discuss this.
Like you I agree with some things National has said they would do. They bear little resemblance tot he Party they promised to be in 2008 campaign. And it is churlish to blame that on the GFC or recession, because those were well underway and known in campaign 2008. They had no control over the earthquake, of course, couldn’t foresee or plan for it (although through EQC all govts have been planning).
My ideologies are more aligned with Labour but not totally, I do not and have not agreed with everything they have done or do.
I live in an interesting electorate (Epsom) so my vote there may reflect an indirect route to my ideology (wink).
Back to honesty, we can’t blame the politicians alone because as voters we vote in and authorise and condone their dishonesty. So why wouldn’t they continue to twist and manipulate and blame a dynamic world?
Power is intoxicating.
Double Dipper breaches electoral rules after slamming labour for… breaching electoral rules?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10760098
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