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What I did notice from the video was how long it took for Quinn to answer. I mean he seemed to really take his time..and even then…
Tracey – I could be mugged or murdered walking alone in the early hours in the most genteel and sleepy part of the country. But I’d have far more chance of that sort of thing happening to me in a dark alley in the worst part of a big city.
Based on the above, you could say that advice to be careful where you go on your own in the early hours includes sleepy little villages.
It’s the percentage shot, Tracey. I think most people understand that.
If you genuinely don’t get the point of what I’m saying then I just hope that you’re never in a position where you have to offer advice to teenage girls.
If you do get it and you’re just trying to score points then you’re much better that that.
The nature of Tracey’s postings seem to change wildly, from the entirely reasonable and well balanced to the near-ranting.
Is the moniker a shared one, perhaps?
George, could you try and make a post to me without adding the emotional,judgmental or personal stuff?
Did you actually read my post?
If you re-read this entire thread there is little or no comment on how men can better control themselves in the face of an alleged style of dress chosen by a woman? Almost the entire thread is about advice to women, not even 50% of the posts, by women or men, is addressing why dressing a particular way results in men behaving badly? Do you have sons George? have you ever been raped or sexually assaulted?
Now you’re accusing me of being more than one person? Just because I have some disagreement with your thought process?
Tracey – most men can control themselves. Giving advice on how to minimise the chances of become a victim of the very very few who can’t is entirely reasonable.
Not the sexist activity you’re desperately trying to turn it into.
And BTW – your last few postings in this thread come over as pretty emotional from where I’m sitting…
patronising – present participle of pa·tron·ize (Verb)
1. Treat with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority.
But fair comment, eh?
You’ve shown elsewhere that you are better than that.
Trev stop the witchhunt Im not so hot on Nact but to be honest this seems more about a character assination than about the context of the advice of given by a canadian police officer
Interesting to note Christine Rankin has decided to abstain from commenting on this I guess she wont be joining the slut walk ?
And as for unbeleivable comments at least their honest opinions I know females that share the same veiw as Quinn
George, it is only “fair comment” if I agree with you that I was point scoring. I wasn’t point scoring I was saying that I understood where you were coming from (which you seem to have overlooked) and then outlined where my agreement with you ends.We can agree to disagree by all means, but your opinion is no more a fact or right, than mine.
Do you have sons, have you been raped or sexually assaulted? You never answered. Most people who are raped are raped within the “safety” of their home where what they were wearing is totally irrelevant.
@Tracey – Great that you have put the def of patronize – somebody did that to me today! !
Agreed about the circumstances of rape, also some creeps plan to rape before they even see their target! !
Ok – if you must know:
No, I don’t have any sons.
Yes, I was sexually assulted as a child. But I suppose, as I wasn’t actually penetrated, one wouldn’t actually describe it as rape.
It was outside the home.
Provocatively dressed? A nine year old in his pyjamas? Your call.
Like to know what he did with his semen, or do you already have sufficient detail?
I’m sorry you were sexually abused George. Nobody deserves that.
@mr man: May 28, 2011 at 12:15 pm
‘Good on you for standing up for women’s rights Trevor.’
This is not about ‘women’s rights’. It’s about sexual assault – and it’s complicated.
See for example:
Raped policeman: ‘I never thought I would be a victim’
A detective investigating sexual assaults was devastated when he himself was raped. But he grew even more angry when police colleagues insisted on investigating the crime. Here he tells his tale anonymously
Man that story is awful, poor guy.
Thanks for answering George. I too was sexually abused as an eleven year old, in the home we were staying with an old family friend (a grandfather figure), multiple times. I was wearing what 11 year olds wear, sometimes when I was swimming, so I had a childs bikini on.
There is no point in any discussion about your or my circumstances where I would suggest you or I in any way contributed to what happened to us. Same goes for women out enjoying themselves.
Our focus in these discussions, in my opinion, ought to always be on how to change the behaviour of the people who rape and abuse and NEVER on how someone looks, or dressed.
I never reported my abuser. Even when I told my mother about it 8 years later, I never reported it. I didn’t want to put his lovely wife through the pain of what I would reveal about the husband she adored. I have lived with not reporting him, knowing he had grandchildren. I suspect in the end I felt a lot more guilt than he ever did.
When my father found out he was angry and (he was divorced from my mother by this time) that my mother had known two years earlier, he said “why the hell didnt your mother go to the police”. To which I replied, “why dont you go now?” He never did, he never confronted the man.
Over the years I have encountered a number of young men who were abused by church members, and not just catholic. I have supported them in different ways. To my shame I was sometimes envious of them. In every case they felt the same pain and shame and trauma as me, but in every case, because it was the church they were generously compensated financially.
Hugiin – It may be the emergence of womens rights which created an atmosphere which eventually led to some male abuse victims to feel they could speak out. Male victims do not have the questions of “how they were dressed” to contend with. Not all sexual assualt victims were abused by men but the majority are. That makes it a male problem, and that ought to be our focus always.
@tracey – poor you, hug.
Some men don’t come forward because, say, if they are raped by a woman then they are worried that they would be laughed at or not believed because how can a woman rape a man?
Agree Spud. I am not saying it is easy for men to come forward, anymore than it is for women. sexual crime is horrendously under reported. Having spent time with young men and adult men abused by men I can only imagine how they feel about the perpetrator being female.
Recently this government cancelled funding for a front line programme which was successfully instill self confidence in young women, making them less likely to be targeted for sexual assault and more likely to report it if it happened.
I have no idea if there are similar programmes (in terms of success) for young men, or if they have been cut. But I do know about this one. Perhaps if Mr Quinn and anyone outraged about sexual abuse/rape focused on this kind of thing we would actually begin to change the world?
Thanks for the hug, back at you. Hope your sibling is ok.
My sibling is back at work, still sick, but stable. Thanks Tracey.
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