1. Who are the pair in the photo above?
2. From which book is the following quote ?
Lusk then wrote: ‘Bryan, make sure you find out about what they are going to do with the Greens’. The Brethren ‘dusted up the Greens in Tasmania, did a good job there’, and so were ‘considering… going after the Greens’ in New Zealand as well. This shows that by early June National MPs had been told about the Brethren’s proposed anti-Green Party advertising and confirms the link with anti-Green leaflets that were distributed anonymously in Tasmania the year before. The September 2005 New Zealand and October 2004 Tasmanian anti-Green Exclusive Brethren pamphlets were almost identical. Lusk went on to express concern about anti-Green campaigning because he was counting on Green voters to split the vote in Napier and help his National candidate win. ‘They could hurt our chances in Napier if they go after the Greens,’ he wrote, ‘we need as many Greens votes as possible to win the electorate race.’31
Two weeks later, another Lusk email reveals that actual copies of the Exclusive Brethren election advertisements were being shown to National Party MPs. ‘Bryan some of the ads we were discussing in Napier were shown to a selection of MPs yesterday. Apparently there were some very nervous people after hearing them.’32 The reason for the nervousness was not explained.
3. Hint for question 2 here.
4. Who was a go to man between National and the Brethren?
5. How did the other guy get swipe access to Parliament to be Brash’s factotum?
1. Simon Lusk and Jordan Williams
2. The Hollow Men
4. Stephen Joyce
5. Jordan Williams
I met Mr Williams once. Seems like a right git.
oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, not the Brethren again. Trev, yet another free bit of advice, let it go
Hey Trevor no bites so far I see.
1. That photo is doing the rounds. A National Party operative and a lawyer. I wonder where the photo is from?
2 and 3. Too easy, and it has a bit of a hollow ring to it …
4. I presume it was not the deer?
5. He must be powerful if they did not trust Brash with use of Parliamentary rooms but will give him a swipe card.
is that ACT or National party’s mascot? or mascots?
Simon Lusk and Jordan Williams.
“Jordan loves the outdoors, including fishing and sailing, especially when he is with his family. His other interests include cooking, spending time with his nephew and nieces, and he would love to have a dog.”- Franks & Ogilvie
I guess hes found his dog in Don Brash
‘I guess the stuff which the Brethren is doing is one example.’” _ Quote from Don Brash as reported in Hollow Man.
hmmmmm 4. steven joyce? murray mccully?
Some National party supporters like to forget that the current golden boy also gothis hands dirty on all that, but they seem to rationalise it away by telling themselves the green deserved it.
#4 – that’d have to be that “American bag-man” you were never able to verify wouldn’t it Trevor?
WO still wont deny lusk writing some blog posts, where is picture of WO and lusk?
Did they use the PM”s helicopter to tire the stag out first???
So let’s get this straight Trevor. You are posting this to try to suggest some link with the EB’s but the quote you have used from the book suggests that Simon Lusk was dead against having any sort of involvement with them and warned the Nat Party against it.
Where are you going with this? It doesn’t fit your meme…are you being blinded by two paragraphs that include the words Lusk, Exclusive Brethren and Greens and posted them without actually reading them?
Instead of being cute and posting questions why don;t you repeat your accusations you made inside the house the other day outside of the house.
I’ve found that a politicians that won’t do that is definitely into flying kites rather than engaging in the truth.
what’s happening here .. monty and whale, 2 very astute people by the way, are having their comments posted hours before mine and I’m just a “average kiwi”, labours target audience??
you are in moderation. They aren’t though Monty might be soon. Trevor
@Spud. On ya! How do I do those smily faces??
Whale are your comments made with authorisation or not ?
One point surely is many of the same ‘hollow’ faces are still around, most significantly Don Brash. Concern #1-what are the Hollow Men up to this election? Concern #2-What have they been up to already since the last one? The media works $34 mill ‘loan’, nice to have a media outlet on tap, has HM prints on it.
It is not about letting the Brethren affair go. Past behaviour if not a guaranteed indicator of future behaviour, then is at least a rather good one. These people have form, a proven record of untruths and manipulation of the kiwi voter.
Trev – Do you resile from your remarks in the house?
My comments are my comments, no one elses.
The greasy cetacean wants his cake and eat it as well.
true wheel .. interesting comment “Past behaviour if not a guaranteed indicator of future behaviour, then is at least a rather good one. These people have form, a proven record of untruths and manipulation of the kiwi voter”.
Phil Goff is distancing himself on what he supported in the 80’s (Asset sales, flat tax).. are you saying we shouldn’t believe his new stance based on his past?
True Wheel
The main players are all still around, Brash, Key, Brownlee, McCully Joyce and so on, people who happily lied (even if by deliberate omission)
@jabba maybe you look at evidence from 1990 – 2011.
@Jabba: Two different scenarios and not directly comparable.
Phil Goff was not exposed as a Hollow Man. Look, if “Bract” and the “Natz” run a clean campaign great, that is what they should do anyway. I just think it is unlikely given the Media Works example.
Phil Goff is leading a party that has new policy. That is what political parties do, organisational policy change is not a ‘behaviour’.
jabba, are you saying when the PM said he and his ministers and MPs would set the bar higher for behaviour than Labour he was lying, he really meant he would only be as bad not worse in his standards?
seems like the right time to start reminding people about who the people are who are running our country into the ground…
the evidence is showing that the plans made before 2005 are still on target.
the fact that the incontinance gang are active on this thread shows that they know how damaging the truth getting through to the general public, and them listening, would be to the master plan.
@Whaleoil – fortunately this isn’t the USA, fortunately most Kiwi’s would shudder at the thought of hidden people playing games behind the scenes to discredit some and support others.
The EB are a decidedly strange bunch, but have fingers in pies and certain people trusting in them for help, be that by defaming people or financial support. I for one wish they would go away.
So…. The Greens have/had some flakey policies (that their own MPs didn’t even know about, such as a comprehensive capital gains tax), and a group of businessmen decided to exercise their rights to freedom of speech and to spend their own money publicising why the Green’s policies were terrible.
Remind me why this is a scandal? The real scandal is that no-one else had actually bothered to analyse just how terrible the Green’s policies were, and that the EBs were actually on-the-nail with their analysis.
@ghostwhowalks…
Cetaceans are whales, porpoises, and dolphins. I don’t think that’s the image you were going for
Spam – let me see, it was the collusion with National, which made the $1m the EB spent more in line with campaign funding etc etc. Can you explain why people with these interests wouldn’t want us to know who they are and that National knows who they are and meets with them? Then there was the little annoyance of the lies about the Greens…
I don’t get the straining need for anonymity, unless, GOSH, some people dont want the public to know who they are funding… kind of a paradox within a democracy.
Yes, individuals have the right to privacy BUT in my book the right to transparent and “seen to be done” democracy ranks higher.
JSM said do what you like until it harms others, at that point your freedom stops, in my book as much harm or more canbe done by trying to manipulate and coerce a voting population than a brick through a window.