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Jacinda and Carol v Turia on Girls Self Defence Play of the Day

Posted by Trevor Mallard on April 14th, 2011

100% funding cut and don’t meet the new funds criteria.

Update: For those without broadband, the Hansard is below:

7. JACINDA ARDERN (Labour) to the Associate Minister for Social Development and Employment: Does she agree that the protection of children must remain our greatest priority as a society and the State has a critical role in investing in communities to help them to ensure the health and well-being of their own?

Hon TARIANA TURIA (Associate Minister for Social Development and Employment) : Yes, I agree with the statement that I made to the House in 2007 when I was speaking as the M?ori Party co-leader. However, I must also inform the House that the important part of the statement, which the member has inadvertently left out, is “For ultimately it is the wh?nau, hap?, and iwi; it is ?inga; and it is family that hold the key to the successful outcomes …”.

Jacinda Ardern: Was she aware that cutting the family violence education fund has led to a total withdrawal of funding for the Girls’ Self Defence Project?

Hon TARIANA TURIA: That is not correct. In fact, $2.8 million has been left for those organisations to apply for under the innovations fund.

Jacinda Ardern: Is she aware that her ministry has sent a letter to the Girls’ Self Defence Project telling them that their entire $377,000 budget has been cut, and their project, which over the past 15 years has taught self-defence to 77,000 vulnerable girls and increased the rate of sexual abuse disclosure, will no longer exist?

Hon TARIANA TURIA: As I said in my previous answer, they are able to apply for the $2.8 million that is being put into that pool.

Jacinda Ardern: Will she reconsider her funding cut in light of strong protest by school principals, one of whom noted: “Each time it has been delivered, the girls’ self-defence programme has given at least one of the girls the courage to speak out about an inappropriate and, in a number of instances, unlawful act that involves them. I truly believe that if a programme like this is cut, there will be girls who don’t find the confidence to speak out about abuse that they are having to endure.”?

Hon TARIANA TURIA: I repeat that the funding cut is not to the degree that that member is implying in the House. In fact, there is $2.8 million in an innovations fund that they can apply for.

Carol Beaumont: Does she believe that a programme costing $50 per participant that gives girls greater skills to defend themselves from harm and has enabled many girls to speak out about inappropriate and unlawful acts is a cost-effective use of taxpayer money?

Hon TARIANA TURIA: I do agree with that, and they are able to continue to apply under the innovations fund that has been put in place.

Rahui Katene: Does she believe that the announcements she made on 1 April 2011 regarding family violence will strengthen the well-being of communities?

Hon TARIANA TURIA: We have made significant investments over the past 4 years in activities creating social change around attitudes and behaviours towards family violence. This has resulted in people being more willing to report and address family violence issues, which has increased demand for the services. We now know that there is a need to make sure that adequate good-quality service responses are available, particularly in communities of greatest need, to get families safe, restore family well-being, and provide ongoing support to prevent violence from reoccurring?

Carol Beaumont: Does the Minister consider a course where over 30 percent of the participants are M?ori, and evaluation results showing over 90 percent of the girls felt stronger, more confident, found new ways to deal with unsafe situations, and felt they can talk to safe people to be a programme that works and is therefore a priority?

Hon TARIANA TURIA: As I said, we have had 4 years of raising awareness in communities amongst all groupings, and now we want to see money going to front-line services where it can make a difference, because there has not been a decrease in family violence, despite all of the awareness-raising.

Carol Beaumont: Does the Minister accept that as 53 percent of women using Rape Crisis services report having been sexually abused under the age of 12, a programme focusing on girls is a useful, preventive measure enabling girls to avoid, or report, such sexual abuse?

Hon TARIANA TURIA: Any family violence of any nature is not acceptable to any member. We have people who are dying each year as a result of family violence, and we want to address that.

Carol Beaumont: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It was a simple question and I do not believe that it was answered. I asked the Minister to convey whether she accepted that given the number of women presenting to Rape Crisis as having been sexually abused under the age of 12, was a programme focusing on girls a useful preventive measure in that circumstance. I do not believe that it was answered.

Mr SPEAKER: The member will recollect that in trying to repeat her question she had trouble with the introductory words. The reason why she had trouble with the introductory words is that they sought an opinion. They asked whether the Minister agreed with something. When members ask a Minister whether they agree, there is no particular answer to that. The Minister expressed her view around that issue, and that is the difficulty with that kind of question. Where an opinion is sought, it is very difficult for the Speaker to ask Ministers to be more precise on that.

Jacinda Ardern: Can the Minister tell the House whether she believes that the Girls’ Self Defence Project will be successful in applying for the family-centred services fund, when it explicitly states that that fund will focus on families rather than front-line services delivered through schools?

Hon TARIANA TURIA: The question is hypothetical. I am not responsible for who gets funding from the ministry.


14 Responses to “Jacinda and Carol v Turia on Girls Self Defence Play of the Day”

  1. Todd says:

    Tariana thinks that they are still eligible for funding, however applying for funding is a difficult process in itself and requires the employment of somebody to undertake. You cannot plan without security of funds. I fail to understand why National has cut funding being that the courses are successful.

  2. the sprout says:

    love the repeated use of game metaphors, it really illustrates well Labour’s seriousness about its Opposition role and commitment to winning the next election.

  3. Dylan says:

    A very tedious 7 minutes.

    Try playing the video from 0:52 – 1:23 and then 6:58 – 7:25.

    Those are the bit’s where you don’t look like complete id1ots ignoring basic logic/argument structure so you can kick a wee fuss over something to do with women’s rights and come up with vague ramblings instead of questions.

  4. ianmac says:

    I like the delivery from Jacinda. Clear. Concise.
    The chipping away of assistance for researched needs is insidious. The fall-back position is to say there is money there and hope that groups give up trying to access it. Or make the process so involved that they don’t bother.

  5. Enzo says:

    I love the banner at the top there! “Jacinda Ardern to the Ass”. Very fitting!

  6. Spud says:

    Man, :-( , where is Anne? She’s a fiesty chick, she would kick butt with or without self defence lessons. :-)

  7. Ruth Burton says:

    Debating skills from all three participants need honing The wrong qustions were asked. Rebuttal oportunities were not taken.

  8. Spud says:

    8O With those lessons they could’ve had a catfight! :-D
    Oh yeah! :-D :-D :-D !

  9. Trevor Mallard says:

    Ruth this is question time. It is not a debate. Rules are very different.

  10. tracey says:

    In the following exchange Turia showed she has a complete lack of understanding of a crucial part of family violence: girls/women feeling powerless.

    If girls feel confidant and strong they will be less likely to become involved with partners who are violent and/or abusive, and girls will resist and speak out.

    “Carol Beaumont: Does the Minister consider a course where over 30 percent of the participants are M?ori, and evaluation results showing over 90 percent of the girls felt stronger, more confident, found new ways to deal with unsafe situations, and felt they can talk to safe people to be a programme that works and is therefore a priority?

    Hon TARIANA TURIA: As I said, we have had 4 years of raising awareness in communities amongst all groupings, and now we want to see money going to front-line services where it can make a difference, because there has not been a decrease in family violence, despite all of the awareness-raising.

    Empowering girls and having 90% feeling “stronger” IS front line

  11. Dylan says:

    Tracey the real flaw in Turias response is that it’s irrelevant. She sais the areas to which funding is being redirected is going towards front line services where a difference can be made to ‘family violence’. Carol was referring to a course where 90% of girls found new ways to deal with ‘unsafe situations’. Not all unsafe situations are family violence. The funding is being redirected to something different to this issue.

  12. Matt says:

    Well, it beats bankruptcy.

  13. Lexie says:

    The underlying issue is the provision of appropriate services for young that will enable them to keep themselves safe and self defence is a proven method to this end. We had a model that worked and now we don’t because the goal posts have shifted from front line services to families. It’s clear to me that services provided independently of the family are critical to the ongoing safety of our young women and that this is a service that has been lost through a political trade-off between the Maori Party and the National Party. It’s a lose-lose. I had respect for Turia before the last election and voted for her on those grounds. Watching this has made me completely lose respect for her. She’s traded the general safety of our young women for a bauble of power.

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