There are about three I could make it to.
Wouldn’t want to join the circus but could ask a question seeing they are public meetings.
Interested in readers views. Comment thread is on earlier post so lets keep it there.
There are about three I could make it to.
Wouldn’t want to join the circus but could ask a question seeing they are public meetings.
Interested in readers views. Comment thread is on earlier post so lets keep it there.
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Yes you should, you’d probably learn something
Yes. Be dignified and ask prudent questions, or more importantly, ask the most important question you have first. Even better, ask your first question of the audience to discover “how many of you know…”
The question she was asked in West Auckland which proved very telling was ” what specifically was national standards going to do to raise achievement levels of a child in the class room. Amazingly she replied it wasnt going to, When a second person said but John Keys says it will in your pamphlet right here, she replied you are getting to specific now!
So will you learn anything? no but you know that Trev because she is certainly is not the the smart one in the class is she!
I would suggest Mark goes with you Trev then he might Learn that National standards is straight out Teacher bashing.
We all know that Tolley is a basket-case by now Trevor.
It’s time to sheet the stupidity back to Key.
You know that he can toss Tolley onto the heap, if the public decry her loudly enough, but he’s the one who should wear the dissatisfaction.
Yes – you should go – its a public meeting, you are public. Take a friend who does not sit beside you but you can text questions to and get them to ask on your behalf – that way you will only have to ask her one or two leading questions.
What I would like to know is:
- Why is there a requirement that says schools do not have to report on the rest of the curriculum if they choose not to – (wait for stupid answer from Trolly) then go on to add – (because it states schools do not have to report on other areas in the moe stds website) – why were schools advised by the moe website that they do not have to report on other areas? (wait for further stupid answer or fob off) then add – Is this because the National Govt does not see science, technology, languages, oral language, the arts etc as important (or competencies/values etc)enough to focus on – if so, how are schools supposed to ensure depth and meaningful and engaging learning experiences across the curriculum, as required by law in the nat curriculum, if they are not required to report on them?
Other questions:
Can she promise that performance pay and bulk funding are OFF the agenda and will not be implemented by the Nat govt? (bet she ducks for cover over this one – imagine if she did say yes – or no – big headlines can come out of that – she tends to lie though so not all that trustworthy – example is saying she would not close a school that the community wanted – but she did anyway)
Is she prepared to provide all the documentation under OIA that shows the advice the Minister and PM were given to instigate Nat stds, the research they used, the advice provided by the MOE, the advice from other interested factions and her responses to these?
How many schools are ready to start the first round of reporting this June? How does she know that? What if they don’t? (esp when most have not even had the first round of prof developement)
Who in the MOE and outside it, developed the stds? What are their credentials?
What influence did overseas examples play in the Nat stds development, and what were these?
Are the stds for Maori medium completed yet? If not, why?
Do schools with L1/2 Maori Medium get to delay implementation or trial it like the other Maori medium schools? If not, why not?
What will happen to schools who do not implement them? (eg the schools in Northland and Invers)
How will she manage the situation in June when the teachers contracts are up and all the teachers decide to walk off the job because they do not believe in Nat stds – this action wont be illegal so what is her plan?
Can she guarantee that all students will be better off under nat stds, and that if at the end of the year the data shows no discernable difference, she will leave politics and say sorry to the profession?
I just wish the coward would show her face in the sth island!
Please Please Please video it maybe get one of your staffers or something to go and then ship it off to 3 news or something… God that would be funny!!
Ship it off to TV3 ???
Get real . They have spent more air time of the ‘possibility’ that Madeleine Mcann was in Dunedin than the entirety of implementing national standards.
There is plenty of footage of Madame Defarge in parliament
Perhaps they could use Cloris Leachman in the Mel Brooks version with Tolleys voiceover
I agree with Greenfly – As long as Tolley can take the fall for the debacle, and even Hide gets run out of Auckland, Until Key is forced to get his hands dirty, and show that he is the one making the decisions, then the Nats are happy to get the second term so they can start with the privatization agenda.
Send in a proxy with an earpiece and a receiver that you can hear and feed Tolley questions. Now that would be fun. Press may not like it but i would.
Tolley’s on her way out but she’s still going to need a bit more pushing – so go, ask the questions, keep pushing. In any case, you owe it to our young learners.
greenfly and jeremy – agreed…. he is very teflon-ish right now.
Tolley needs to be asked, and recorded answering – why are private schools exempt from National Standards”?
Mrs Tolley once you and Mr key have identified the children failing to meet your National Standard what blueprint do you have in place to improve their performance?” follow up “why dont you have the blueprint now when you appear so certain that so many wont meet the standard?”
Interesting that women and ACT MPs have been used by National in there more controversial and rapid areas of “change”
Kate Wilkinson had to spearhead the ramrodding of changes to employment law
Tolley – education
Hide – Super City
Please do what you can to publicise these meetings. The Minister’s strategy seems to be to keep it as small as possible and minimum advertising i.e. not even in free advertising sources. Would love more people to know about these meetings and have their say or get the ‘facts’ from the horse’s mouth.
There are some good suggested questions above. I suspect anyone asking a ‘difficult’ question will not get a chance to ask another one, so it does need quite a few people to attend to have them asked.
The attendance of a Labour MP could be ’spun’ as a deliberate attempt to derail ‘valuable public consultation’, rather than legitimate calling to account by the public. Better to encourage reporters to attend and report the answers given. It is disappointing that the inconsistencies and sheer stupidity being shown is not getting reported more.
Hell Yes!!!!!
You don’t have to actually join the circus you can just do a few tricks and enjoy the chaos! Go on I dare ya! 
Just in terms of censorship, am I now allowed to write about and explain here how Trevor is a basket case?
@tracey – “Interesting that women and ACT MPs have been used by National in there more controversial and rapid areas of “change”‘
Indeed it is interesting – more telling in terms of the ‘boys’ leadership skills that they put up those MPs that they feel are expendable, while the PM sits back with his two right hand blokes (Gerry and English) and smiles and waves. What is sad is that most of the people they are ‘using’ just allow it – its sad really – maybe they are not smart enough to know when they are being used.
Agreed Paul. Expendable and they privately quip with each other that THIS is why they don’t give women top positions…
As was said recently over the Heatley / Brownlee CC affair – Brownlie’s been around a long time and knows where the bodies are buried… Frankly it appears to be one of the only things he knows…
Absolutely Trevor. Just make sure it’s videoed. Even better if a television journalist went along with you. National Standards and their implementation have become a joke.
It’s a shame that Tolley (or any of her lackies) are refusing to show up to the NZEI public forum at the Duxton Hotel in Wellington on 24 March.
So far the speakers at the forum include Frances Nelson (NZEI), Ernie Buutveld (Principals’ Federation), Ivan Snook (Emeritus Prof of Education), Bill Coulter (Khandallah Primary BOT Chair), and … you I believe.
Lifting Education Standards
Come and talk to your local MP…Sam Lotu-liga and Education Minister Hon Anne Tolly about how National Standards will help you child.
When:
5pm – 6pm 7pm – 8pm
Thursday 11 March Thursday 11 March
Onehunga Community Centre Panmure Community Hall
83 Church Street 7 – 13 Pilkington Road
Onehunga Panmure
They mustn’t expect much of a turnout, with only one hour for each meeting and about 15 – 20 minutes travel between community centres.
I wouldn’t believe anything Sam has to say about education. Him and John Carter lied through their teeth regarding Aucklands super city.
I don’t think she really allowing for question time at all by the sounds of it.
She wont want anyone to ask anything she has a lack of knowledge on – which rules out anything to do with education really – perhaps people should ask her a real estate question…
Oh that is so funny paul.
Do you really think , with the bias of the print media and the seeming lack of interest in the tv media, that the meeting times and their outcomes will be reported? With the New Zealand Herald being so biased towards National, do you really think that its possible to achieve any of these and make them known to the general public other than those that have a kee interest in it?
Why isn’t Tolley running a meeting in Lower Hutt with Paul Quinn? The Hutt needs a comedy club or two.
Kane she is silly but not quite that stupid.
Liz Jessica Mutch TVNZ has done three or four pieces on standards over last month – quite informed for TV.
I agree with Ed above about process. Despite knowing the minister’s staff will be reading this I like Tracey’s question about why private schools are exempt – could be quite revealing for the audience.
@Paul – LOL
Why Private schools are excempt
and Linda’s question
‘How will National Standards facilitate clear and accurate ‘plain language’ reporting for students who are well above the Standard for years above their age’
Link to linda’s question http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2010/03/02/you-dont-need-to-go-to-the-back-of-the-bus-anne/comment-page-2/#comment-33862
Kane- The security assessment team still working on the IPL
Update: Meeting was 30min PPT presentation, questions (1 each) chaired by MP, replies very long and quite condescending including the old ‘that’s a really really good question’ followed by something that sounded like an answer but in many cases didn’t answer the question. Kept close to the hour at ‘limit to one question each’ -some allowed a supplementary question.
Some good stuff and some really shocking. Will share more late if time allows.
Linda, please do
Yeah, spill
Wide variety of assessment techniques currently used in schools. Questions about consistency. Answer: Have aligned the assessment techniques to show where the National Standard fits .. book circulated to sector for some time (sector heckled that it wasn’t long).
Standards are about:
‘identifying children …., identifying teachers (big drawing of breath from the room) …identifying [other factors with are limiting achievement]‘
Nat Stds aligned with track child could continue on to achieve NCEA level 2. About lifting achievement.
My take on that: > 50% of students must be under the standard now, lots of labelling problems.
More to follow.. (too busy now)
A different tone between the journalists view of the meeting in Johnsonville and others of us there.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10631063