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	<title>Comments on: Focus on the bottom fifty, not the top five</title>
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		<title>By: theresaj</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/02/09/focus-on-the-bottom-fifty-not-the-top-five/comment-page-1/#comment-30385</link>
		<dc:creator>theresaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you Mother..my husband and his friends were made redundant last October..We do all we can to stay on top too.
   mentally and emotionally I mean..We also stick close with our friends and neighbours and do our best to support one another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you Mother..my husband and his friends were made redundant last October..We do all we can to stay on top too.<br />
   mentally and emotionally I mean..We also stick close with our friends and neighbours and do our best to support one another.</p>
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		<title>By: A Mother</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/02/09/focus-on-the-bottom-fifty-not-the-top-five/comment-page-1/#comment-30239</link>
		<dc:creator>A Mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Olwyn
I presume you ment me and not Anne.

I don&#039;t let things get me down for long. I think it was the fact my rent went up the same day they increased GST and to top it off when I was looking for info about it, I came across those other blogs. I only let myself wallow for a few hours before I tell myself to just get on with things and pick myself back up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Olwyn<br />
I presume you ment me and not Anne.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t let things get me down for long. I think it was the fact my rent went up the same day they increased GST and to top it off when I was looking for info about it, I came across those other blogs. I only let myself wallow for a few hours before I tell myself to just get on with things and pick myself back up.</p>
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		<title>By: James99</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/02/09/focus-on-the-bottom-fifty-not-the-top-five/comment-page-1/#comment-30222</link>
		<dc:creator>James99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let’s be honest National&#039;s tax announcements are going to help no one other the rich or better off, in the long run. Absolutely disgusting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s be honest National&#8217;s tax announcements are going to help no one other the rich or better off, in the long run. Absolutely disgusting!</p>
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		<title>By: theresaj</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/02/09/focus-on-the-bottom-fifty-not-the-top-five/comment-page-1/#comment-30209</link>
		<dc:creator>theresaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the previous post?  The mood is turning to anger here...the only bright spot on the horizon is the rabbit plague coming our way..we&#039;ll all be sitting out on our porches with our shotguns , swapping stew recipes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the previous post?  The mood is turning to anger here&#8230;the only bright spot on the horizon is the rabbit plague coming our way..we&#8217;ll all be sitting out on our porches with our shotguns , swapping stew recipes.</p>
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		<title>By: Olwyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/02/09/focus-on-the-bottom-fifty-not-the-top-five/comment-page-1/#comment-30202</link>
		<dc:creator>Olwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeremy: these conditions were foisted onto New Zealand - people did not vote for them, and in fact people voted for MMP in part to stop political parties from being elected on the grounds of false promises. 

@ Anne - don&#039;t let the nasty mindless bleating on some web sites discourage you or distract you from your studies. There seems to be a lot of right wingers commenting at the Standard these days, you would think they haven&#039;t got a web site of their own to go to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeremy: these conditions were foisted onto New Zealand &#8211; people did not vote for them, and in fact people voted for MMP in part to stop political parties from being elected on the grounds of false promises. </p>
<p>@ Anne &#8211; don&#8217;t let the nasty mindless bleating on some web sites discourage you or distract you from your studies. There seems to be a lot of right wingers commenting at the Standard these days, you would think they haven&#8217;t got a web site of their own to go to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right I suspect.
People are often given a hand up, and then when its their turn to help the next generation they suddenly forget the &#039;gifts&#039; they received and cop an attitude of I did it all myself, why should my taxes help you. &amp; until they get sacked at 55 they think they can look after themselves.

The biggest proponents of this was Ruthonomics where the boomers removed free education, scrapped trades, all funding directed at the following generation X. Yet at the same time they kept universal super and benefits the boomers would still enjoy. (note: the talk now is of raising the super age not income testing it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right I suspect.<br />
People are often given a hand up, and then when its their turn to help the next generation they suddenly forget the &#8216;gifts&#8217; they received and cop an attitude of I did it all myself, why should my taxes help you. &amp; until they get sacked at 55 they think they can look after themselves.</p>
<p>The biggest proponents of this was Ruthonomics where the boomers removed free education, scrapped trades, all funding directed at the following generation X. Yet at the same time they kept universal super and benefits the boomers would still enjoy. (note: the talk now is of raising the super age not income testing it).</p>
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		<title>By: A Mother</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is going to make surviving even harder.
GST going up. Rent going up. My rent anyway and the wait for state houses is a very long wait.

Add onto that the fact I&#039;m also a student and they no longer have the TIA to cover short fall in cost of childcare while you&#039;re studying, then I&#039;m looking at a very hard lean year.

That&#039;s all I&#039;m going to say due to the fact I&#039;m trying to keep my cool after reading other blogs that state I&#039;m a parasite raising uncouth kids (shame mine say please and thank you and you&#039;re welcome out of habit that is now entrenched in them as it doesn&#039;t fit with the acceptable stereotype)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going to make surviving even harder.<br />
GST going up. Rent going up. My rent anyway and the wait for state houses is a very long wait.</p>
<p>Add onto that the fact I&#8217;m also a student and they no longer have the TIA to cover short fall in cost of childcare while you&#8217;re studying, then I&#8217;m looking at a very hard lean year.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m going to say due to the fact I&#8217;m trying to keep my cool after reading other blogs that state I&#8217;m a parasite raising uncouth kids (shame mine say please and thank you and you&#8217;re welcome out of habit that is now entrenched in them as it doesn&#8217;t fit with the acceptable stereotype)</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy - a few years ago, when I was a Labour stalwart, I had an argument with a tory friend of mine.

He had even better working class credentials than I did - son of a faceworker, brought up in a mining village in South Yorkshire.

His take on the Labour Party was that in fact they had a vested interest in people NOT getting on.  He observed that whenever people did &#039;better&#039; themselves the majority didn&#039;t support Labour any more.  And that if Labour lifted half the people off some sort of welfare dependency who languish there then they&#039;d never have a hope in hell of getting back into power.

I argued vigorously against him, but now, in retrospect, I think that his views aren&#039;t entirely without merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy &#8211; a few years ago, when I was a Labour stalwart, I had an argument with a tory friend of mine.</p>
<p>He had even better working class credentials than I did &#8211; son of a faceworker, brought up in a mining village in South Yorkshire.</p>
<p>His take on the Labour Party was that in fact they had a vested interest in people NOT getting on.  He observed that whenever people did &#8216;better&#8217; themselves the majority didn&#8217;t support Labour any more.  And that if Labour lifted half the people off some sort of welfare dependency who languish there then they&#8217;d never have a hope in hell of getting back into power.</p>
<p>I argued vigorously against him, but now, in retrospect, I think that his views aren&#8217;t entirely without merit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take on National v Labour.

National (conservatives) pursues policies that seek to keep and increase the wealth in the hands of those who have it.  Their support comes from &#039;aspirational&#039; classes who buy their single focus arguments straight from treasury.

The Labor party emerges from the union movement and believes in collective responsibility.  They seek to assist those in employment (&amp; future generations) to have the quality of life they deserve (but the boss wont pay for).  The last Labor govt also sought to support business in areas they needed support or encouragement, as this is the best way known to support employment and wage growth.

National supporters must have had a word to the govt and said that actually R&amp;D credits/subsidies &amp; so called distortions can benefit business/economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on National v Labour.</p>
<p>National (conservatives) pursues policies that seek to keep and increase the wealth in the hands of those who have it.  Their support comes from &#8216;aspirational&#8217; classes who buy their single focus arguments straight from treasury.</p>
<p>The Labor party emerges from the union movement and believes in collective responsibility.  They seek to assist those in employment (&amp; future generations) to have the quality of life they deserve (but the boss wont pay for).  The last Labor govt also sought to support business in areas they needed support or encouragement, as this is the best way known to support employment and wage growth.</p>
<p>National supporters must have had a word to the govt and said that actually R&amp;D credits/subsidies &amp; so called distortions can benefit business/economy.</p>
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		<title>By: millsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>millsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Georgia,

Do you want poor people beggin on the streets, like in your beloved China? Plenty of homelessness here. Unlike there, we actually know that people need a roof over their head. We are better than them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Georgia,</p>
<p>Do you want poor people beggin on the streets, like in your beloved China? Plenty of homelessness here. Unlike there, we actually know that people need a roof over their head. We are better than them.</p>
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