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	<title>Comments on: Steven&#8217;s Choice</title>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28391</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labour didn&#039;t care at all about Telecom or their share price or anything when they forced through LLU with its regulatory regime for Telecom. What&#039;s happened since, ranging from the end of the school bonus points scheme, through to the Visionstream contracting out, is all direct outcome from that policy, and the intent of the policy was to pander to the EPMU and other unions who have consistently attacked Telecom for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour didn&#8217;t care at all about Telecom or their share price or anything when they forced through LLU with its regulatory regime for Telecom. What&#8217;s happened since, ranging from the end of the school bonus points scheme, through to the Visionstream contracting out, is all direct outcome from that policy, and the intent of the policy was to pander to the EPMU and other unions who have consistently attacked Telecom for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28315</link>
		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As a private corporation, the fact is there is fibre all over the place as of now, just not the last mile.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Telecom, as a private corporation, spent ten years taking out a lot of the fibre that had been put in during the 1980s (specifically, FttC) and replacing it with copper. As I&#039;ve said before, go take a look into Telecoms ICMS database covering those years and you will see that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;very poor record of service and innovation&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There was a major technological shift in the 1980s - digital exchanges were put in, cabling went from lead and steel sheathed to plastic and cable jointing went from twisting the wires together to having hand held machines do it. Basically, all the &quot;service&quot; improvements that have happened in Telecom are the result of technological changes that were happening, and were mostly done, by the time of the sale in 1990. Privatisation has done nothing to improve things - if anything, it&#039;s made things worse.

All the innovation was done by companies such as Nokia and Motorola. Telecom just put it in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As a private corporation, the fact is there is fibre all over the place as of now, just not the last mile.</p></blockquote>
<p>Telecom, as a private corporation, spent ten years taking out a lot of the fibre that had been put in during the 1980s (specifically, FttC) and replacing it with copper. As I&#8217;ve said before, go take a look into Telecoms ICMS database covering those years and you will see that.</p>
<blockquote><p>very poor record of service and innovation</p></blockquote>
<p>There was a major technological shift in the 1980s &#8211; digital exchanges were put in, cabling went from lead and steel sheathed to plastic and cable jointing went from twisting the wires together to having hand held machines do it. Basically, all the &#8220;service&#8221; improvements that have happened in Telecom are the result of technological changes that were happening, and were mostly done, by the time of the sale in 1990. Privatisation has done nothing to improve things &#8211; if anything, it&#8217;s made things worse.</p>
<p>All the innovation was done by companies such as Nokia and Motorola. Telecom just put it in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28264</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Draco this is the public monopoly Telecom that had a very poor record of service and innovation - who needs fibre?

As a private corporation, the fact is there is fibre all over the place as of now, just not the last mile. The competition (in areas where it exists) hasn&#039;t seen fit to roll out FTTH either. We can get up to 40 Mbps where I sit, but it&#039;s still copper cable on HFC, although Telstra will roll out fibre to you if you&#039;re prepared to pay lots of $$$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Draco this is the public monopoly Telecom that had a very poor record of service and innovation &#8211; who needs fibre?</p>
<p>As a private corporation, the fact is there is fibre all over the place as of now, just not the last mile. The competition (in areas where it exists) hasn&#8217;t seen fit to roll out FTTH either. We can get up to 40 Mbps where I sit, but it&#8217;s still copper cable on HFC, although Telstra will roll out fibre to you if you&#8217;re prepared to pay lots of $$$$.</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28231</link>
		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Telecom might just go down that road but then, is it for the good of us or is it for the likelihood of getting a serious cut of that 2 billion?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The way I see it, if Telecom go down that road it&#039;s for the good of Telecom. The good of Telecom doesn&#039;t necessarily have anything to do with the $1.5 billion but getting rid of a network that can no longer be milked for the revenue stream as they&#039;ve done for the last 2 decades and now actually requires maintenance and replacement. Getting rid of it would probably be in their favour. I really wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see Telecom structurally separate and then sell the network back to the present government for a few billion $$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Telecom might just go down that road but then, is it for the good of us or is it for the likelihood of getting a serious cut of that 2 billion?</p></blockquote>
<p>The way I see it, if Telecom go down that road it&#8217;s for the good of Telecom. The good of Telecom doesn&#8217;t necessarily have anything to do with the $1.5 billion but getting rid of a network that can no longer be milked for the revenue stream as they&#8217;ve done for the last 2 decades and now actually requires maintenance and replacement. Getting rid of it would probably be in their favour. I really wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see Telecom structurally separate and then sell the network back to the present government for a few billion $$$.</p>
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		<title>By: Nevyn</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28229</link>
		<dc:creator>Nevyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I seeing something everyone else appears to be missing given the comments?

The heart of it is this: Is Steven Joyce working in the interests of New Zealanders?

From previous blog entries, he doesn&#039;t seem to consider the functional separation of Telecom to be an issue at all. While the separation was put on the table to better serve New Zealanders.

Telecom might just go down that road but then, is it for the good of us or is it for the likelihood of getting a serious cut of that 2 billion? If not Telecom, then who? Are we like the Ministry of Health dealing with MS? Do we not have an alternative?

Add to that the probability that jobs will be shifted off-shore (go India with your bad American accented telephone operators!) if such a separation were to happen and there&#039;s a whole can of worms here.

Remember, Telecom is not our friend. Telecom is friend only to their shareholders. If there&#039;s no profit in it, they won&#039;t do it. Look at the stranglehold they&#039;ve had on high speed Internet. You need to ask yourself, Do we want to be in Telecom&#039;s fist forever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I seeing something everyone else appears to be missing given the comments?</p>
<p>The heart of it is this: Is Steven Joyce working in the interests of New Zealanders?</p>
<p>From previous blog entries, he doesn&#8217;t seem to consider the functional separation of Telecom to be an issue at all. While the separation was put on the table to better serve New Zealanders.</p>
<p>Telecom might just go down that road but then, is it for the good of us or is it for the likelihood of getting a serious cut of that 2 billion? If not Telecom, then who? Are we like the Ministry of Health dealing with MS? Do we not have an alternative?</p>
<p>Add to that the probability that jobs will be shifted off-shore (go India with your bad American accented telephone operators!) if such a separation were to happen and there&#8217;s a whole can of worms here.</p>
<p>Remember, Telecom is not our friend. Telecom is friend only to their shareholders. If there&#8217;s no profit in it, they won&#8217;t do it. Look at the stranglehold they&#8217;ve had on high speed Internet. You need to ask yourself, Do we want to be in Telecom&#8217;s fist forever?</p>
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		<title>By: millsy</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28212</link>
		<dc:creator>millsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didnt Telecom offer to sell its network to the Labour government back in &#039;06?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didnt Telecom offer to sell its network to the Labour government back in &#8216;06?</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28192</link>
		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brent - i&#039;m not sure that&#039;s what Clare was saying - I think she was saying Joyce is working with telecom to outsource the jobs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brent &#8211; i&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s what Clare was saying &#8211; I think she was saying Joyce is working with telecom to outsource the jobs</p>
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		<title>By: brent leighton</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28182</link>
		<dc:creator>brent leighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good that you&#039;re back Joyce on this. I agree that Telecom is appalling. Good to see LAbour and National cooperating. Other Labour MPs should try this approach. Shouldn&#039;t all be about attaking all the time.
having said that, I&#039;m not as confident as you that Joyce will sort it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good that you&#8217;re back Joyce on this. I agree that Telecom is appalling. Good to see LAbour and National cooperating. Other Labour MPs should try this approach. Shouldn&#8217;t all be about attaking all the time.<br />
having said that, I&#8217;m not as confident as you that Joyce will sort it.</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28176</link>
		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just think, if Labour hadn&#039;t started selling Telecom in the 1980s we wouldn&#039;t have to be paying out a thing. Telecoms&#039; profits would have had fibre to the cabinet by now in most of the country and be starting on fibre to the house. Instead we&#039;re having to bribe private profiteers to do what should already have been done.

When are you going to face the basic fact that privatisation of a natural monopoly doesn&#039;t work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just think, if Labour hadn&#8217;t started selling Telecom in the 1980s we wouldn&#8217;t have to be paying out a thing. Telecoms&#8217; profits would have had fibre to the cabinet by now in most of the country and be starting on fibre to the house. Instead we&#8217;re having to bribe private profiteers to do what should already have been done.</p>
<p>When are you going to face the basic fact that privatisation of a natural monopoly doesn&#8217;t work?</p>
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		<title>By: ghostwhowalksnz</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2010/01/26/stevens-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-28172</link>
		<dc:creator>ghostwhowalksnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real story is that there is no money available, election promise or not.
The delays are just to wriggle out of a big promise citing changed circumstances
The big election bribe has come home to bite them! Just like it did for the phony tax cuts.
Notice the same policy process  with the dance of  seven veils   for the various  new tax proposals.
Salome  would be proud  of her pupils English and Joyce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real story is that there is no money available, election promise or not.<br />
The delays are just to wriggle out of a big promise citing changed circumstances<br />
The big election bribe has come home to bite them! Just like it did for the phony tax cuts.<br />
Notice the same policy process  with the dance of  seven veils   for the various  new tax proposals.<br />
Salome  would be proud  of her pupils English and Joyce</p>
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