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	<title>Comments on: COP15 &#8211; What can New Zealand do?</title>
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		<title>By: Spud</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22245</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-(</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22243</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, You are a Conspiracy Theorist Idiot. I wouldn&#039;t bother wasting my time. Are you real?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, You are a Conspiracy Theorist Idiot. I wouldn&#8217;t bother wasting my time. Are you real?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22241</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People WAKE UP!,the people driving this are pure evil who care nothing for you.The CFR,Trilateral Commission,COR,Sierra Club,Bilderburg Group and many other elitists are the people you need to know about!.
Some quotes to digest:

In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”
- Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution 1991(Al Gore is a member!)

&quot;To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas.&quot; - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization 

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme


Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”
- Professor Maurice King ,UNEP

“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
- Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

&quot;We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent.&quot; 
Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950.

If you research these groups and their influence over governments and policy you will see there is no conspiracy,it&#039;s fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People WAKE UP!,the people driving this are pure evil who care nothing for you.The CFR,Trilateral Commission,COR,Sierra Club,Bilderburg Group and many other elitists are the people you need to know about!.<br />
Some quotes to digest:</p>
<p>In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”<br />
- Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution 1991(Al Gore is a member!)</p>
<p>&#8220;To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas.&#8221; &#8211; Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization </p>
<p>“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”<br />
- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme</p>
<p>Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”<br />
- Professor Maurice King ,UNEP</p>
<p>“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”<br />
- Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace</p>
<p>&#8220;We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent.&#8221;<br />
Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950.</p>
<p>If you research these groups and their influence over governments and policy you will see there is no conspiracy,it&#8217;s fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22214</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merry Christmas rainman, Rich and everyone else :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry Christmas rainman, Rich and everyone else <img src='http://blog.labour.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rainman</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22209</link>
		<dc:creator>rainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Richard: True words - as long as we keep our collective eyes on the more near-term issues too.

Happy Festivities to you (and everyone else) too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard: True words &#8211; as long as we keep our collective eyes on the more near-term issues too.</p>
<p>Happy Festivities to you (and everyone else) too.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22207</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rainman, Agreed, but there is nothing wrong with being an optimist. People from even 100 years ago would have trouble understanding the technical advances of today. Nuclear fusion IS still a dream, but so was the steam engine once. I prefer to look forward with hope for the world and it&#039;s peoples, and history shows that those with ideas for the future are the engines of progress. Unfortunately there will always be Luddites, but I don&#039;t tar you with that brush. Happy Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rainman, Agreed, but there is nothing wrong with being an optimist. People from even 100 years ago would have trouble understanding the technical advances of today. Nuclear fusion IS still a dream, but so was the steam engine once. I prefer to look forward with hope for the world and it&#8217;s peoples, and history shows that those with ideas for the future are the engines of progress. Unfortunately there will always be Luddites, but I don&#8217;t tar you with that brush. Happy Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22199</link>
		<dc:creator>Spud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want an electric car :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want an electric car <img src='http://blog.labour.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rainman</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22198</link>
		<dc:creator>rainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Richard: Sorry, but I actually LOL&#039;ed at your shameless techno-optimism. Fusion&#039;s a dream, which won&#039;t be real for ages, if ever; who knows if it will be the &quot;biggest and cleanest&quot;, or even if we&#039;ll have the available energy to ever make it real?

@Charles: My apologies, I had not read that. Will seek it out and do so before bashing any further :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard: Sorry, but I actually LOL&#8217;ed at your shameless techno-optimism. Fusion&#8217;s a dream, which won&#8217;t be real for ages, if ever; who knows if it will be the &#8220;biggest and cleanest&#8221;, or even if we&#8217;ll have the available energy to ever make it real?</p>
<p>@Charles: My apologies, I had not read that. Will seek it out and do so before bashing any further <img src='http://blog.labour.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charles Chauvel</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22191</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Chauvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mel, the following countries with obligations to adopt reductions targets (limited at the moment to developed countries in Annex 1 of the Kyoto Protocol that have signed and ratified that agreement) have taken on a higher range than we have:

Australia, up to 25% (base year 2000)
EU, up to 30% (base year 1990, ditto for others below)
Japan 25%
Norway, up to 40%
Russia, up to 25%

Rainman, it seems to me there are 2 reasons for moving to a low-carbon economy.  One is to avoid disastrous climate change, the other is because fossil fuels will become so rare as to be uneconomic to extract.  Far from doing nothing, Labour recognised this when in office in the NZ transport strategy - setting out via biofuels, more public transport, more coastal shipping, more rail, more electric vehicles - a pathway to reduce transport emissions by 50% over the next 30 years.  Ditto in the NZ energy strategy - a pathway to reduce non-renewables electricity generation to 10% of baseload by 2025.  We&#039;d immediately restore, update and strengthen these and other strategies in office, as opposed to diluting or rolling them back as the current Government is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel, the following countries with obligations to adopt reductions targets (limited at the moment to developed countries in Annex 1 of the Kyoto Protocol that have signed and ratified that agreement) have taken on a higher range than we have:</p>
<p>Australia, up to 25% (base year 2000)<br />
EU, up to 30% (base year 1990, ditto for others below)<br />
Japan 25%<br />
Norway, up to 40%<br />
Russia, up to 25%</p>
<p>Rainman, it seems to me there are 2 reasons for moving to a low-carbon economy.  One is to avoid disastrous climate change, the other is because fossil fuels will become so rare as to be uneconomic to extract.  Far from doing nothing, Labour recognised this when in office in the NZ transport strategy &#8211; setting out via biofuels, more public transport, more coastal shipping, more rail, more electric vehicles &#8211; a pathway to reduce transport emissions by 50% over the next 30 years.  Ditto in the NZ energy strategy &#8211; a pathway to reduce non-renewables electricity generation to 10% of baseload by 2025.  We&#8217;d immediately restore, update and strengthen these and other strategies in office, as opposed to diluting or rolling them back as the current Government is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel Barker</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/12/14/cop15-02/comment-page-1/#comment-22186</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>charles which countries are making bigger commitments than we are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>charles which countries are making bigger commitments than we are?</p>
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