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	<title>Comments on: Labour’s good faith on the ETS</title>
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		<title>By: Haste on National’s ETS bill creates such a waste &#171; Red Alert</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/17/labour-good-faith-on-the-ets/comment-page-1/#comment-17811</link>
		<dc:creator>Haste on National’s ETS bill creates such a waste &#171; Red Alert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] committee (which was a waste of time), to the walkout by National on a grand coalition with Labour (which would have settled the issue months ago), to the backroom deals with the Maori party (who knows what else has been agreed to), and now with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] committee (which was a waste of time), to the walkout by National on a grand coalition with Labour (which would have settled the issue months ago), to the backroom deals with the Maori party (who knows what else has been agreed to), and now with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Emissions Trading Amending Legislation - Shame &#171; Red Alert</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/17/labour-good-faith-on-the-ets/comment-page-1/#comment-11463</link>
		<dc:creator>Emissions Trading Amending Legislation - Shame &#171; Red Alert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] allow Nick Smith to introduce the ETS amendment for a first time. If it had taken time to work with Labour in good faith on an enduring compromise, none of this would have been [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] allow Nick Smith to introduce the ETS amendment for a first time. If it had taken time to work with Labour in good faith on an enduring compromise, none of this would have been [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Moi</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/17/labour-good-faith-on-the-ets/comment-page-1/#comment-10491</link>
		<dc:creator>Moi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that Goff made some excellent points in his letter, especially regarding forestry. Pity he&#039;s not the Prime Minister...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that Goff made some excellent points in his letter, especially regarding forestry. Pity he&#8217;s not the Prime Minister&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: George D</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/17/labour-good-faith-on-the-ets/comment-page-1/#comment-10473</link>
		<dc:creator>George D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A desire to be accomodating and create durable policy on one part, and to get a better deal for (a very narrow subset of) their people on the other.&lt;/i&gt;

They wanted to get Labour to help them give money to farmers. Labour agreed to give a lot for five year, but not the close to a billion per year (at current prices), in perpetuity, that National have just handed over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A desire to be accomodating and create durable policy on one part, and to get a better deal for (a very narrow subset of) their people on the other.</i></p>
<p>They wanted to get Labour to help them give money to farmers. Labour agreed to give a lot for five year, but not the close to a billion per year (at current prices), in perpetuity, that National have just handed over.</p>
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		<title>By: Idiot/Savant</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/17/labour-good-faith-on-the-ets/comment-page-1/#comment-10463</link>
		<dc:creator>Idiot/Savant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;So why negotiate anything at all, given that National’s proposals will make the ETS less effective in reducing emissions than the one enacted last year?&lt;/I&gt;

A desire to be accomodating and create durable policy on one part, and to get a better deal for (a very narrow subset of) their people on the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So why negotiate anything at all, given that National’s proposals will make the ETS less effective in reducing emissions than the one enacted last year?</i></p>
<p>A desire to be accomodating and create durable policy on one part, and to get a better deal for (a very narrow subset of) their people on the other.</p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/17/labour-good-faith-on-the-ets/comment-page-1/#comment-10462</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toad

&quot;So why negotiate anything at all, given that National’s proposals will make the ETS less effective in reducing emissions than the one enacted last year?&quot;

I think you answered this in your previous sentence when you said &quot;They could, I suppose, have gone with Act and moved to repeal it, but they would not dare, as that would have made New Zealand an international laughing stock and had grave repercussions for trade and tourism.&quot;

This current bunch are that strange that I do not think we can trust anything to be beyond them.  The steps they have already taken to undermine measures aimed at reducing CO2 emissions speak volumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toad</p>
<p>&#8220;So why negotiate anything at all, given that National’s proposals will make the ETS less effective in reducing emissions than the one enacted last year?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you answered this in your previous sentence when you said &#8220;They could, I suppose, have gone with Act and moved to repeal it, but they would not dare, as that would have made New Zealand an international laughing stock and had grave repercussions for trade and tourism.&#8221;</p>
<p>This current bunch are that strange that I do not think we can trust anything to be beyond them.  The steps they have already taken to undermine measures aimed at reducing CO2 emissions speak volumes.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/17/labour-good-faith-on-the-ets/comment-page-1/#comment-10461</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Charles. As I blogged yesterday, the M?ori Party have acted in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenvoices.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/hypocrisy-and-duplicity-the-tale-of-the-two-maori-parties/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;totally duplicitous manner&lt;/a&gt;, given what they wrote in their minority report.

But what I don&#039;t understand is why either Labour or the M?ori Party needed to enter negotiations at all.  The existing ETS legislation was on the statute books, and National couldn&#039;t get the numbers to amend it.

They could, I suppose, have gone with Act and moved to repeal it, but they would not dare, as that would have made New Zealand an international laughing stock and had grave repercussions for trade and tourism.

So why negotiate anything at all, given that National&#039;s proposals will make the ETS less effective in reducing emissions than the one enacted last year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Charles. As I blogged yesterday, the M?ori Party have acted in a <a href="http://greenvoices.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/hypocrisy-and-duplicity-the-tale-of-the-two-maori-parties/" rel="nofollow">totally duplicitous manner</a>, given what they wrote in their minority report.</p>
<p>But what I don&#8217;t understand is why either Labour or the M?ori Party needed to enter negotiations at all.  The existing ETS legislation was on the statute books, and National couldn&#8217;t get the numbers to amend it.</p>
<p>They could, I suppose, have gone with Act and moved to repeal it, but they would not dare, as that would have made New Zealand an international laughing stock and had grave repercussions for trade and tourism.</p>
<p>So why negotiate anything at all, given that National&#8217;s proposals will make the ETS less effective in reducing emissions than the one enacted last year?</p>
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		<title>By: Abbie's Ghost</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/17/labour-good-faith-on-the-ets/comment-page-1/#comment-10460</link>
		<dc:creator>Abbie's Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great. More reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great. More reading.</p>
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