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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8762</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey..lets call it a voluntary ban..eh trev..

you/yr blog..

are nothing but a sad joke..

a little echo chamber..

with only sycophantic comments allowed..?

bah..!

bye..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

&lt;strong&gt;Thanks that is a win win   Trevor&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey..lets call it a voluntary ban..eh trev..</p>
<p>you/yr blog..</p>
<p>are nothing but a sad joke..</p>
<p>a little echo chamber..</p>
<p>with only sycophantic comments allowed..?</p>
<p>bah..!</p>
<p>bye..</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
<p><strong>Thanks that is a win win   Trevor</strong></p>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8730</link>
		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bikerkiwi, on topic I hope, but isn&#039;t Auckland the one Hide says is stuffed and Brisbane the one he thinks Auckland should mimick? In a perverse way, he may be on track because once his super city changes bite, Auckland will be 35th or worse. Race to you to the bottom. Mission accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bikerkiwi, on topic I hope, but isn&#8217;t Auckland the one Hide says is stuffed and Brisbane the one he thinks Auckland should mimick? In a perverse way, he may be on track because once his super city changes bite, Auckland will be 35th or worse. Race to you to the bottom. Mission accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8721</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Nationalised network and private competition of services supplied on that network = best of all worlds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed, not to mention it could potentially turn into a direct source of income for the government if managed well, and if not it will at least be a good wealth-enabler for the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nationalised network and private competition of services supplied on that network = best of all worlds.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, not to mention it could potentially turn into a direct source of income for the government if managed well, and if not it will at least be a good wealth-enabler for the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8719</link>
		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The choice is between a Telecom-led rollout (unitary authority) and a regional approach with involvement by electricity lines companies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Or the third option, which you seem to be categorically ruling out even though it&#039;s the cheapest, is to re-nationalise the network. Multiple networks cost more - more environmental damage to mine the resources to make them, more electricity to run them, more bureaucrats to administer them (no, I&#039;m not the type of person who whines about bureaucrats, administration is an important job, but I don&#039;t think that we should have any more than we need) and more dead weight loss to the economy in the form of profit.

Nationalised network and private competition of services supplied on that network = best of all worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The choice is between a Telecom-led rollout (unitary authority) and a regional approach with involvement by electricity lines companies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or the third option, which you seem to be categorically ruling out even though it&#8217;s the cheapest, is to re-nationalise the network. Multiple networks cost more &#8211; more environmental damage to mine the resources to make them, more electricity to run them, more bureaucrats to administer them (no, I&#8217;m not the type of person who whines about bureaucrats, administration is an important job, but I don&#8217;t think that we should have any more than we need) and more dead weight loss to the economy in the form of profit.</p>
<p>Nationalised network and private competition of services supplied on that network = best of all worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8718</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Phil please stop your thread jacking habits. Once more and you will get a one week ban.  Trevor&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Phil please stop your thread jacking habits. Once more and you will get a one week ban.  Trevor</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Phil Lyth</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8716</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Lyth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit button!
 . . . assuming Jezza was NOT asking rhetorically)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit button!<br />
 . . . assuming Jezza was NOT asking rhetorically)</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Lyth</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8715</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Lyth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jezza  (assuming you were asking rhetorically)  the Parliament site is an excellent source of information about what MPs do.

To search the questions Clare has asked of the Minister of Communications &amp; IT,  start at:
www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Business/QWA/

It&#039;s so easy to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jezza  (assuming you were asking rhetorically)  the Parliament site is an excellent source of information about what MPs do.</p>
<p>To search the questions Clare has asked of the Minister of Communications &amp; IT,  start at:<br />
<a href="http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Business/QWA/" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Business/QWA/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s so easy to do.</p>
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		<title>By: bikerkiwi</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8712</link>
		<dc:creator>bikerkiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jezza - perhaps you need to look at the bigger picture when looking at being able to justify your children staying here.

The quality of life in NZ is exceptional.  Look at the Mercer rankings:

Auckland comes 4th in the world (up from 5th last year)
Sydney is 10th (no change)
Wellington 12th (no change)
Brisbane 34th (no change).

I was recently offered a huge pay rise to live in Australia - but its because of my family that we remained in NZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jezza &#8211; perhaps you need to look at the bigger picture when looking at being able to justify your children staying here.</p>
<p>The quality of life in NZ is exceptional.  Look at the Mercer rankings:</p>
<p>Auckland comes 4th in the world (up from 5th last year)<br />
Sydney is 10th (no change)<br />
Wellington 12th (no change)<br />
Brisbane 34th (no change).</p>
<p>I was recently offered a huge pay rise to live in Australia &#8211; but its because of my family that we remained in NZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigger</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8711</link>
		<dc:creator>Tigger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Clare - the government&#039;s feet dragging on this is leaves me bewildered.  Here is an area where we need decisive action, where they promised decisive action and still they can&#039;t make a decision.  

I thought Labour&#039;s plans were possibly as good as it gets for New Zealand, not perhaps the perfect plan but given limitations on budget and our population spread it was probably all we can do at this stage.  I remain utterly frustrated by Joyce&#039;s apparent &#039;deer in the headlights&#039; stance.  I say that because I think they are paralysed with indecision here, their lack of leadership experience is sorely showing.  They need to (wo)man up and do something.   

philu - you can talk about child poverty all you like - but don&#039;t try to hijack a conversation about broadband to do it and don&#039;t play the suppressed victim card, it&#039;s hollow.  And if you can get Kiwiblog&#039;s commentators to give a damn about child poverty then I have some water that needs turning into wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Clare &#8211; the government&#8217;s feet dragging on this is leaves me bewildered.  Here is an area where we need decisive action, where they promised decisive action and still they can&#8217;t make a decision.  </p>
<p>I thought Labour&#8217;s plans were possibly as good as it gets for New Zealand, not perhaps the perfect plan but given limitations on budget and our population spread it was probably all we can do at this stage.  I remain utterly frustrated by Joyce&#8217;s apparent &#8216;deer in the headlights&#8217; stance.  I say that because I think they are paralysed with indecision here, their lack of leadership experience is sorely showing.  They need to (wo)man up and do something.   </p>
<p>philu &#8211; you can talk about child poverty all you like &#8211; but don&#8217;t try to hijack a conversation about broadband to do it and don&#8217;t play the suppressed victim card, it&#8217;s hollow.  And if you can get Kiwiblog&#8217;s commentators to give a damn about child poverty then I have some water that needs turning into wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jezza</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/09/04/the-fork-in-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-8710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jezza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;ve been given the ball on this Clare have you submitted any questions or asked any in question time on why our investment is so far behind Australia&#039;s..? They are going to invest 15 times as much as us...

For us to have a similar per capita investment we would need to invest $4.5 billion which would relieve a lot of the urban/rural question...

I even know where we can get the money from... The debt inflated NLTP, the plan is to spend over $10 billion in the next decade on State Highway&#039;s... Real smart considering climate change and peak oil... Surely just over $7 billion will be sufficiently stupid and we can invest the excess in something emminently more important, this...

This one of the reasons young people like myself are looking at Perth, Brisbane etc with longing eyes and why the &quot;plan&quot; to catch Aussie by 2025 is nothing but hot air...

A Vogel-esqe investment in sustainable transport, power and fibre is needed and a party with the courage to deal with the huge structural problems in the economy if we are ever to start climbing and overtaking other OECD countries again... A deep recession is the perfect time to employ people and make this investment, the Americans are still relying on much of FDR&#039;s infrastructure...

My patience is running out with NZ when I look at Australia&#039;s investments in this and rail in particular, leaving NZ would break my heart but it&#039;s getting to the point where I can&#039;t justify to my future children staying here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve been given the ball on this Clare have you submitted any questions or asked any in question time on why our investment is so far behind Australia&#8217;s..? They are going to invest 15 times as much as us&#8230;</p>
<p>For us to have a similar per capita investment we would need to invest $4.5 billion which would relieve a lot of the urban/rural question&#8230;</p>
<p>I even know where we can get the money from&#8230; The debt inflated NLTP, the plan is to spend over $10 billion in the next decade on State Highway&#8217;s&#8230; Real smart considering climate change and peak oil&#8230; Surely just over $7 billion will be sufficiently stupid and we can invest the excess in something emminently more important, this&#8230;</p>
<p>This one of the reasons young people like myself are looking at Perth, Brisbane etc with longing eyes and why the &#8220;plan&#8221; to catch Aussie by 2025 is nothing but hot air&#8230;</p>
<p>A Vogel-esqe investment in sustainable transport, power and fibre is needed and a party with the courage to deal with the huge structural problems in the economy if we are ever to start climbing and overtaking other OECD countries again&#8230; A deep recession is the perfect time to employ people and make this investment, the Americans are still relying on much of FDR&#8217;s infrastructure&#8230;</p>
<p>My patience is running out with NZ when I look at Australia&#8217;s investments in this and rail in particular, leaving NZ would break my heart but it&#8217;s getting to the point where I can&#8217;t justify to my future children staying here&#8230;</p>
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