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		<title>By: Bryan Spondre</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-4900</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Spondre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If there is one thing Clare that “we” don’t want, its leftists with any control over the internet.&quot;

Come on now Russell Fletcher aka redbaiter, think the issue through, the left are no longer in power in NZ so how can they have any legislative power over the internet ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If there is one thing Clare that “we” don’t want, its leftists with any control over the internet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on now Russell Fletcher aka redbaiter, think the issue through, the left are no longer in power in NZ so how can they have any legislative power over the internet ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-3403</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s really two simple reasons why there is such blatant disregard for copyright worldwide, in particular when it comes to the music, tv, and movie realms:

The first is that it&#039;s harder to get access to copyrighted material legitimately than it is to get access to the same material illegitimately.

As an example, I purchased a DVD of a fairly recent movie on the weekend.  I put it in to the DVD player, and it proceeded to play a &quot;don&#039;t steal this film&quot; advert, followed by a bunch of adverts for other movies, before finally showing me the menu.  The trailers were thankfully skippable.  After this hassle, I could finally play the DVD in fantastic low-definition quality.  Ofcourse, I can&#039;t copy the thing onto my ipod without breaking a &quot;technological protection mechanism&quot;, nor can I copy it to other devices, such as my home theatre pc.

Compare this to the following:

1.  Search for title of film.
2.  Single click and it downloads.
3.  A further click and I&#039;m watching the actual movie in high definition.  Subtitles are there if I want them, as are commentary tracks and so on.
4.  A further click or two and I can copy this onto my ipod or wherever else I want.

If I could pay to do this second option, I would.  As it is, I can&#039;t.  My only options are low resolution, DRM encrusted wastes of my time, or to obtain it elsewhere.

The second reason is that copyright has been extended so many times that most people completely see through the real use of it:  When a song is copyrighted for 70+ years _after_ the death of the composer, it&#039;s clear the function of copyright isn&#039;t to enhance the public good.  Rather, it&#039;s there to provide an unending supply of funds for the copyright holder.

Cut the length of distribution rights back to something sane, make sure that copying for personal use, or for the purposes of parody or remixing are exempt and perhaps people will start respecting it again.  Bring it back to the original intention: A limited monopoly on distribution, to encourage the creation of artistic works for the public good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s really two simple reasons why there is such blatant disregard for copyright worldwide, in particular when it comes to the music, tv, and movie realms:</p>
<p>The first is that it&#8217;s harder to get access to copyrighted material legitimately than it is to get access to the same material illegitimately.</p>
<p>As an example, I purchased a DVD of a fairly recent movie on the weekend.  I put it in to the DVD player, and it proceeded to play a &#8220;don&#8217;t steal this film&#8221; advert, followed by a bunch of adverts for other movies, before finally showing me the menu.  The trailers were thankfully skippable.  After this hassle, I could finally play the DVD in fantastic low-definition quality.  Ofcourse, I can&#8217;t copy the thing onto my ipod without breaking a &#8220;technological protection mechanism&#8221;, nor can I copy it to other devices, such as my home theatre pc.</p>
<p>Compare this to the following:</p>
<p>1.  Search for title of film.<br />
2.  Single click and it downloads.<br />
3.  A further click and I&#8217;m watching the actual movie in high definition.  Subtitles are there if I want them, as are commentary tracks and so on.<br />
4.  A further click or two and I can copy this onto my ipod or wherever else I want.</p>
<p>If I could pay to do this second option, I would.  As it is, I can&#8217;t.  My only options are low resolution, DRM encrusted wastes of my time, or to obtain it elsewhere.</p>
<p>The second reason is that copyright has been extended so many times that most people completely see through the real use of it:  When a song is copyrighted for 70+ years _after_ the death of the composer, it&#8217;s clear the function of copyright isn&#8217;t to enhance the public good.  Rather, it&#8217;s there to provide an unending supply of funds for the copyright holder.</p>
<p>Cut the length of distribution rights back to something sane, make sure that copying for personal use, or for the purposes of parody or remixing are exempt and perhaps people will start respecting it again.  Bring it back to the original intention: A limited monopoly on distribution, to encourage the creation of artistic works for the public good.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-3374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claire, the proof is in the pudding.  Labour gave us a terrible copyright law that was obsolete the moment it was written.  Even worse, they brought in S92A.

To say, &quot;Oops&quot; now, is too late, you&#039;ve already lost credibility.

National is going back on their promises as well.  The ICT debate transcript makes for compelling reading.  I voted National because of the comments made by Maurice Williamson in that debate.  I am not impressed with their behaviour in the area since the election.

How&#039;s this for a copyright stake in the ground:

1) If I have access to the source material, I can copy it.
2) Copying is separate from Distribution.
3) I can store my copy for as long as I want.
4) I can make as many copies as I want.
5) I am allowed to modify my copies however I wish   
   (transcode/edit)
6) No special protection for any TPMs.

That is a good start for a customer-centric copyright legislation.  The only problem is that it still makes kids violators by not allowing remix culture (distribution right is separate from copy right).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire, the proof is in the pudding.  Labour gave us a terrible copyright law that was obsolete the moment it was written.  Even worse, they brought in S92A.</p>
<p>To say, &#8220;Oops&#8221; now, is too late, you&#8217;ve already lost credibility.</p>
<p>National is going back on their promises as well.  The ICT debate transcript makes for compelling reading.  I voted National because of the comments made by Maurice Williamson in that debate.  I am not impressed with their behaviour in the area since the election.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s this for a copyright stake in the ground:</p>
<p>1) If I have access to the source material, I can copy it.<br />
2) Copying is separate from Distribution.<br />
3) I can store my copy for as long as I want.<br />
4) I can make as many copies as I want.<br />
5) I am allowed to modify my copies however I wish<br />
   (transcode/edit)<br />
6) No special protection for any TPMs.</p>
<p>That is a good start for a customer-centric copyright legislation.  The only problem is that it still makes kids violators by not allowing remix culture (distribution right is separate from copy right).</p>
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		<title>By: Labour to hold copyright forum in Auckland &#171; Red Alert</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-2249</link>
		<dc:creator>Labour to hold copyright forum in Auckland &#171; Red Alert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dalziel, Trevor Mallard, David Cunliffe and Maryan Street). Out of that meeting came a series of themes and issues that needed further discussion. Because of the number of people who wanted to attend but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dalziel, Trevor Mallard, David Cunliffe and Maryan Street). Out of that meeting came a series of themes and issues that needed further discussion. Because of the number of people who wanted to attend but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Family Holloway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Against Internet Disconnection: Clare Curran, Kiwiblog, InternetNZ, ISPANZ</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1742</link>
		<dc:creator>Family Holloway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Against Internet Disconnection: Clare Curran, Kiwiblog, InternetNZ, ISPANZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this issue and finding an alternative solution is the first order of business.. Labour&#8217;s Clare Curran  wrote &#8220;I don’t want to pre-empt that process. But to be frank it doesn’t look promising. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this issue and finding an alternative solution is the first order of business.. Labour&#8217;s Clare Curran  wrote &#8220;I don’t want to pre-empt that process. But to be frank it doesn’t look promising. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clare Curran</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1690</link>
		<dc:creator>Clare Curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer
Did you read the whole post? I&#039;m organising a stakeholder meeting in Auckland in a couple of weeks, if you&#039;re interested, email me and you can come along, or I can put you on the email list. Yes, Labour is developing a go forward policy in this space and I&#039;ve listed what I see as the important issues. It would be good to have you involved.
Clare</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer<br />
Did you read the whole post? I&#8217;m organising a stakeholder meeting in Auckland in a couple of weeks, if you&#8217;re interested, email me and you can come along, or I can put you on the email list. Yes, Labour is developing a go forward policy in this space and I&#8217;ve listed what I see as the important issues. It would be good to have you involved.<br />
Clare</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clare, I understand you are still talking with stakeholders, but do you have a &#039;way forward&#039; in mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clare, I understand you are still talking with stakeholders, but do you have a &#8216;way forward&#8217; in mind?</p>
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		<title>By: Jase</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1660</link>
		<dc:creator>Jase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The independent body disagrees with you so they must be wrong. Nice logic RB.

I don&#039;t take Clare&#039;s point to be at all about &quot;getting anyone&#039;s hands&quot; on the internet. If anything  I took her to be saying that we (all of us) need to get on with working out some answers to tough questions together. You&#039;re the one who&#039;s a) threadjacking and b) trying to spin this as a left/right issue. I happen to think it&#039;s bigger than that.

Perhaps go and take your slogans back to Kiwiblog where they&#039;re more likely to impress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The independent body disagrees with you so they must be wrong. Nice logic RB.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t take Clare&#8217;s point to be at all about &#8220;getting anyone&#8217;s hands&#8221; on the internet. If anything  I took her to be saying that we (all of us) need to get on with working out some answers to tough questions together. You&#8217;re the one who&#8217;s a) threadjacking and b) trying to spin this as a left/right issue. I happen to think it&#8217;s bigger than that.</p>
<p>Perhaps go and take your slogans back to Kiwiblog where they&#8217;re more likely to impress?</p>
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		<title>By: mjwkiwi</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1659</link>
		<dc:creator>mjwkiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work Clare, its clear you &quot;get it&quot;!  Personally I think the most important issue is the business model one, because recording companies simply aren&#039;t the way of the future, although good luck with influencing that one!  In the meantime its good to see someone who understands the issues is commenting.  I look forward to you being the next Telecommunications Minister!

Oh, and Redbaiter, the good thing about free speech is it lets weirdos like you vent, and then we can all see the strange stuff you are made of...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work Clare, its clear you &#8220;get it&#8221;!  Personally I think the most important issue is the business model one, because recording companies simply aren&#8217;t the way of the future, although good luck with influencing that one!  In the meantime its good to see someone who understands the issues is commenting.  I look forward to you being the next Telecommunications Minister!</p>
<p>Oh, and Redbaiter, the good thing about free speech is it lets weirdos like you vent, and then we can all see the strange stuff you are made of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://blog.labour.org.nz/2009/06/16/doing-the-copyright-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-1644</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is one thing Clare that &quot;we&quot; don&#039;t want, its leftists with any control over the internet. 

I mean, absolute farces like this on mainstream TV are enough -

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/2504098/Lack-of-balance-on-TVNZs-Breakfast

Been a long time since i have witnessed anything so close to fascism as that.

Imagine if those responsible for that decision were policing the net?

The left will use any pretext to attack freedom of political expression. I believe copyright is one of those pretexts.

Keep the left&#039;s hands off the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is one thing Clare that &#8220;we&#8221; don&#8217;t want, its leftists with any control over the internet. </p>
<p>I mean, absolute farces like this on mainstream TV are enough -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/2504098/Lack-of-balance-on-TVNZs-Breakfast" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/2504098/Lack-of-balance-on-TVNZs-Breakfast</a></p>
<p>Been a long time since i have witnessed anything so close to fascism as that.</p>
<p>Imagine if those responsible for that decision were policing the net?</p>
<p>The left will use any pretext to attack freedom of political expression. I believe copyright is one of those pretexts.</p>
<p>Keep the left&#8217;s hands off the Internet.</p>
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